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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby gnm » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 15:12:53

Can you still defend chimpy as even the military criticizes his policies and congressional republicans don't even think its a good idea Spec? why the devotion?

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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Specop_007 » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 17:18:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') do see a certain amount of humor in people defending Iran. Its amusing.


Are they defending Iran? I'm not so sure. I personally wont defend them, but I don't want to go to another war. There are other ways to play it the long way.

We know the last war was a complete disaster, morally, tactically and financially. We were lied to then, why not this time?

Hope you find time to respond spec.


Look at it this way.

9/11. Everyone thinks at a minimum the government knew about it and did nothing. Then we have this http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/01/08/subwa ... index.html
And many people complained because the government did too much.

Now we have Iran who has openly and repeatedly stated they want nothing less then the utter destruction of Isreal. They want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. And they are pursuing a nuclear program.

What do you think will happen? What are people going to say if and when Isreal is nuked? "The government knew and did nothing"? OR will they say "Gee, we shoulda saw it coming...."

Give you one guess.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Grifter » Wed 17 Jan 2007, 18:03:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Grifter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') do see a certain amount of humor in people defending Iran. Its amusing.


Are they defending Iran? I'm not so sure. I personally wont defend them, but I don't want to go to another war. There are other ways to play it the long way.

We know the last war was a complete disaster, morally, tactically and financially. We were lied to then, why not this time?

Hope you find time to respond spec.


Look at it this way.

9/11. Everyone thinks at a minimum the government knew about it and did nothing. Then we have this http://www.cnn.com/2007/LAW/01/08/subwa ... index.html
And many people complained because the government did too much.

Now we have Iran who has openly and repeatedly stated they want nothing less then the utter destruction of Isreal. They want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. And they are pursuing a nuclear program.

What do you think will happen? What are people going to say if and when Isreal is nuked? "The government knew and did nothing"? OR will they say "Gee, we shoulda saw it coming...."

Give you one guess.


I hear what you’re saying, and I know that there is a terrorist threat albeit played upon by big government to make us accept restrictions on our freedom to move about and engage in association with like minded people.

And what you said about 911, I think it might be the case but I also think it might not. I’ll probably never decide where I stand on that one, all I know is that I don’t like big government.

The article you linked to is exactly why I don’t want us to try and do this the quick and (seemingly) easy way. Misguided youngsters will have more reason to hate us. At the end of the day dropping bombs blows up people who really only want to go about their lives, provide for their families, eat as well as possible that sort of thing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EW YORK (AP) -- A Pakistani immigrant was sentenced to 30 years in prison Monday for devising an unsuccessful plot to blow up a busy Manhattan subway station as revenge for wartime abuses of Iraqis.


Why would a country nuke another which they know has nukes, and lots of them? MAD works. The soviets seemed just as crazy at the time of the Cuban crisis but we knew they had nukes and MAD was avoided in the end. It was avoided because there was PROOF not INTELLIGENCE or whatever that means.

Trouble is the long way of doing this involves a bit of pain for us in order to starve them of funds. We would go into a recession but we would kind of recover to a slightly higher standard of living but probably lower than right now.

I will admit that I’m concerned about religious fanatics, but going down the path that seems to be being taken will increase the number of these backward fanatics and I believe will result in the complete destruction of liberty for many centuries. Hatred runs thick and lasts long.

I hope that don’t sound preachy because there are things I have agreed with you about in the past. Hope you’re doing well.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby TITAN » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 00:51:32

The only people that will ever get nuked are those that don't have nukes...
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby dukey » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 01:04:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow we have Iran who has openly and repeatedly stated they want nothing less then the utter destruction of Isreal. They want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. And they are pursuing a nuclear program.


yeah a nucleur POWER program. It's only the west which says they want to build nukes. Even if they want to build nukes they are 10 years away from doing so. There is no threat from Iran.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 13:32:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ow we have Iran who has openly and repeatedly stated they want nothing less then the utter destruction of Isreal. They want to wipe them off the face of the Earth. And they are pursuing a nuclear program.


yeah a nucleur POWER program. It's only the west which says they want to build nukes. Even if they want to build nukes they are 10 years away from doing so. There is no threat from Iran.


I rest my case.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Grifter » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:39:34

I think this link lends credence to the fact that they are trying to manufacture our consent.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:41:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') do see a certain amount of humor in people defending Iran. Its amusing.


To me the humor is that a country that is already loosing two wars wants to provoke a third enemy. In some ways I hope the US does invade Iran. The US will end up so beat down that the Canadians will probably invade and seize DC. Old GW ought to be offering Ahmadinejad oral sex if he'll stay out of this one for now.

It's classic Hitler syndrome. It doesn't matter how powerful your army is. You start wars with enough people all at the same time, and you're going to get the beat down.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:49:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'I') do see a certain amount of humor in people defending Iran. Its amusing.


To me the humor is that a country that is already loosing two wars wants to provoke a third enemy. In some ways I hope the US does invade Iran. The US will end up so beat down that the Canadians will probably invade and seize DC. Old GW ought to be offering Ahmadinejad oral sex if he'll stay out of this one for now.

It's classic Hitler syndrome. It doesn't matter how powerful your army is. You start wars with enough people all at the same time, and you're going to get the beat down.


Whats your definition of "losing"?
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:53:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hats your definition of "losing"?


The object of war is to convince your opponent to capitulate. Can you really say that the insurgency is closer to capitulating than the US is in Iraq?
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby mgibbons19 » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:56:13

Hey, Spec's back! Cool.

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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 14:56:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'W')hats your definition of "losing"?


The object of war is to convince your opponent to capitulate. Can you really say that the insurgency is closer to capitulating than the US is in Iraq?


The object of traditional war is to convince your opponent to capitulate.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 15:11:15

The object of all war is to convince your opponent to capitulate. Guerilla warfare is just an acknowledgement that political forces determine your opponent's willingness to fight. A guerilla group seeks to undercut the political support of an opponent that it can't defeat in head to head combat. Clausewitz said that war was "the continuation of politics by other means." Guerilla warfare is just a way of bringing the question back into the political arena.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 15:27:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he object of all war is to convince your opponent to capitulate.

And what, if your opponents are no longer there (all enemy combatants killed, all their surviving women raped & enslaved and their land opened for looting)?

Would you consider it to be lost war, or declare it won and congratulate your army?

I observe, that human rights and Geneva conventions on war are suffering retreat, and wars of the future will again remain ideas depicted above.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 15:54:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'A')nd what, if your opponents are no longer there (all enemy combatants killed, all their surviving women raped & enslaved and their land opened for looting)?
At some point enough people have suffered mightily enough that they capitulate and you get to carry out your political agenda. Maybe your political agenda is to execute the men, rape the women, and take all the resources.

Why doesn't the US do that? Simply they lack the political will to carry it out. Carrying out a policy like that requires a lot of political determination and it comes at heavy societal costs. SS men tended not to last very long on the job machinegunning Slavic civilians before they became psychiatric casualties. That sort of determination is born out of hardship and privation, not out of luxury and oppulence. Part of being a spoiled decadent society is that it's ultimately a downward spiral. The more you have, the less willing you become to get off your butt and do the things that are necessary to keep the flow of trinkets coming. That's why decaying empires end up hiring mercanaries from impoverished places outside the empire. The rub though, is how can you be sure that the mercenaries will stay loyal to you.

The simple fact is that the US is lazy and soft and risk averse and they are on the decline as a military power.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 18:14:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'T')he object of all war is to convince your opponent to capitulate. Guerilla warfare is just an acknowledgement that political forces determine your opponent's willingness to fight. A guerilla group seeks to undercut the political support of an opponent that it can't defeat in head to head combat. Clausewitz said that war was "the continuation of politics by other means." Guerilla warfare is just a way of bringing the question back into the political arena.


Your still thinking traditionally. Islamic fundamentals dont want a cease fire, they dont want us to surrender. They want our entire, complete and total destruction to a man, woman and child. Period.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby dukey » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 18:22:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our still thinking traditionally. Islamic fundamentals dont want a cease fire, they dont want us to surrender. They want our entire, complete and total destruction to a man, woman and child. Period.


hahahaha

Yeah i am sure they do .. Just like they wanted war. I think you watch too much Fox News. Maybe those terror alerts have got to your brain.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Grifter » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 18:37:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our still thinking traditionally. Islamic fundamentals dont want a cease fire, they dont want us to surrender. They want our entire, complete and total destruction to a man, woman and child. Period.


hahahaha

Yeah i am sure they do .. Just like they wanted war. I think you watch too much Fox News. Maybe those terror alerts have got to your brain.


The people spec is talking about do want that. You can research it yourself.

But spec, the people who have the voice don't represent the ordinary folk who live in a particular place. It is always that way. If we take the fight to where we percieve the threat to come from we create more enemies. TPTB just make loads of money.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Revi » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 18:49:33

I think we should have ringed Tora Bora and gotten every last one of the creeps who messed with us. We let a lot of them get away. Then they tried to sell the US public a new war. What is the objective of the war in Iraq? Are we trying to secure the oil? Secure the petrodollar? Are we winning? I think we're in a no-win situation. When you're in a hole the first thing is to quit digging.

We really need to re-think our transportation and how we live here, so that when we have to get out of there we won't be hurt so bad. If we could go on an energy diet of say 15 million barrels a day we could get out of Iraq. Then we'd be buying just 7 million from friendly countries while we still produce 8 million barrels. It would help us out economically too. We wouldn't have to borrow 1.8 billion a day. We could cut it down to say, 1 billion a day.
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Re: staged terror attack coming soon ( false flag operation

Unread postby Specop_007 » Thu 18 Jan 2007, 20:37:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')our still thinking traditionally. Islamic fundamentals dont want a cease fire, they dont want us to surrender. They want our entire, complete and total destruction to a man, woman and child. Period.


hahahaha

Yeah i am sure they do .. Just like they wanted war. I think you watch too much Fox News. Maybe those terror alerts have got to your brain.


See the DU thread.

When do facts come into play with a liberal. I'll let you live in your own pink rinabow world where we all hold hands, sing kumbaya as a group and jerk each other off afterwards. Real life isnt quite the same thing kiddo.
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