[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'p')s I did think his post here was quite funny But if he argues that PO won't come because it hasn't already, he's wrong. Same goes for calling someone a cornucopian...it's not an argument.

[seahorse]

RGR,

Move to Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Mexico, and tell me what it looks like one year post peak. Try a closer look maybe at Detroit with all the out of work car employees, or go live with Ayoob in East L.A. for awhile and give us a report. Or, you can keep your head in the sand, move in with Bill Gates and you'll never see anything.

I vote that we wait to form any judgment until 2012, which is the date that most pessimist would agree PO will occur, plus or minus. So, if you are right, and PO happened a year ago and no big deal, we can say, no big deal. Otherwise, we wait and see how things develope until 2012. On January 1, 2007, you and I, RGR, will reassess the condition of the world we live in. I'm sure Bill Gates will be doing fine, so we'll exclude him.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t is also possible that more than a year post peak now, and with nobody really noticing, and the "deathburbs" Laughing Laughing Laughing still going strong,

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnnyMac', ' ') I don't mean wind & solar panels - the world needs to create new forms of energy with something like nanotechnology.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bas', 'A')bout six months ago I thought this place was sinking under their weight but now it seems the knowledgable intellectuals have come back to dominate the board, what's up with that?

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse', 'R')GR,

Move to Iraq, Afghanistan, Nigeria, Mexico, and tell me what it looks like one year post peak. Try a closer look maybe at Detroit with all the out of work car employees, or go live with Ayoob in East L.A. for awhile and give us a report. Or, you can keep your head in the sand, move in with Bill Gates and you'll never see anything.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', ' ') All it takes is another "embargo" to set us straight.

[Benzin]

I've never understood the whole survivalist thing, but I guess I don't understand a lot of things.

What makes one think, in the face of the worse of the worse, when the TSHTF that they'll be safe in their log cabin away from the "suburban zombie hordes?" I don't think anyone would have enough rounds to take 'em all out, if they think guns and ammo can save them.

Anyways, we do what we can to prepare but is it not mostly a waste of time? Again, people with gardens and goats whilst civilization blowing up around them? May you live in interesting times indeed! I think what people need to understand is that no matter what we do, any and all of us could be part of the "herd" that is culled. Something I had to accept after the shock of learning about all this mess.

Now I can't say I know squat about anything, but I can say this much: car culture, consumerism, this whole paradigm of infinite growth indeed must change because it simply will not last. Life here in the US will certainly change, how bad it will get or exactly what the effects will be, I don't need to speculate. I'm not Miss Cleo. Though I think it is safe to say money will become increasingly tight and inflated as we march on our fiat debt based banking system. Even if PO was a fluke, there's too many other things that just ain't working in this world. I can't help but wonder where in the hell did we as a species go wrong?

But until whatever happens, if TSHTF is inevitable, why shall we not enjoy the oil party as long as possible? Live within one's means, but damn make the best out of what we DO have right here and now. I for one have a much deeper appreciation now being cognizant of the situation.

[Ayoob]

You know, RGR, I am starting to like you. I think you have the right attitude. I think your attitude is All for me, and fuck everybody else. Which has pretty much become my attitude. And I think it's OK to just be absolutely selfish and be kind of up front about it. If you want me to do something, make sure it's in my best interest and sell me on it and I'll freely choose to go along.

You don't really care when the peak hits because you have a skill that becomes more and more in demand the more expensive oil gets. So cool, let oil production peak, you aren't going to end up with a rifle in your hand in a desert somewhere shooting at some kid with a bomb in his diaper so it's all good for you.

You can sit back and talk shit to the doomers and thumb your nose at everybody, you're the one that's going to be counting the money.

Good for you.

I think it's good advice to everyone that posts here to take a look at this guy and see what he says and watch what he does. He's advocating for his own personal best interest and confessing his selfish motives for whatever he does. Know that without any kind of sarcasm at all, I think he's got an outstanding strategy for being successful postpeak. RGR may even have my plan beat, and I thought I had the best one going.

I used to wonder what was going through your head when you posted your inane drivel but I think I've got it now. You don't participate here to be cooperative and help, you just talk shit and laugh when people try to be reasonable and figure out how to handle this thing.

I laugh at the idiots who think we're all going to dance around in a fuzzy bunny circle and be nice to each other while we watch our kids get skinny and our retirements evaporate and we see our elderly people tossed out of their apartments and sit on the sidewalk. Fuck 'em. Make yourselves valuable! WTF are you waiting for! Learn some petroleum geology and get in on a MAJOR oil boom that's coming along. If you can't think of anything better to do.

What's funny is I'm actually serious about this. If you're hanging on to your job at the Video Mart, thinking that swiping a bar code is a profession worthy of food and a roof... Isn't it better for all concerned for all of us to make ourselves more worthwhile?

Just for fun, I'm going to take a couple classes in welding this spring and summer. You never know, maybe having two trades is better than just having one.

[BorneoRagnarok]

Uh.. I have not posted for maybe half a year. BTW I am from Borneo here. Here more and more people involved in agricultural sector as cities (only 4 of them) life get more violent. You want the truth RGR let's come to Borneo. Let us chopped your head off and put on top of our totem poles.

Growing food and prepared land for the future.
Finally, no more electronic crap except the notebook I type on here.
Finally able to grow vegetable and rear enough fish to feed 1 person. The next step is scale up in order to feed a family. After trying for 2 years.

No more time to debate endlessly here about the peak oil.
Let me see, I am Zero Point Energy fan previously. Even if Lutec, ZPE, N machine, magnetic motors, Johnson motors or Star Trek aliens give us some radiant energy or orgone energy machines, the economic will still faced the D before rise to the sky again.

My current plan is grow enough food for a family. If someone invent free energy machines, I will expand my farm to 1,000,000 hectares and become the Borneo agriculture tycoon.. When you heard your beloved one said "Son,hubby,daddy,mommy I am hungry". You will better off dead than alive.

[Benzin]

So does that mean if I buy 100 barrels of crude right now around $62ish USD, that I'll triple my investment by 2015?

Can an average person even BUY crude oil like that? Methinks no.

[AgentR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('stungmaster', 'I') don't think anyone would have enough rounds to take 'em all out, if they think guns and ammo can save them.

[Benzin]

Point taken. We're saved from the horde, but what about the rest? In the end it's all a big crap shoot and a gamble.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'H')ow many urban people have ever taken a trip, on foot, of over a hundred miles? How many even have the slightest idea about what is required, and what is silly, when attempting to survive such a trip?

If they've not done it in completely comfortable, luxurious America, what makes people think that most will try it when a crunch comes, and survive it in such a way that a six year old with a rock at the destination couldn't put them out of their misery.

No. There will be no horde. Rural folks will have other problems to deal with of course; but a rampaging horde of fleeing suburbanites isn't one of them.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')he woods do not look like packaged steaks. Ponds do not look like fish sticks.

[PolestaR]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'G')otta go with Agentr (roof?) on this one.

People in the cities and suburbs will not look to the country for help. It would not occur to people raised on lattes and shopping malls to consider a soybean or wheat field as food. It does not look like food. The woods do not look like packaged steaks. Ponds do not look like fish sticks.

If anything the bored angry masses will go to the money. They will head for 5th Avenue. Rodeo Drive. The Mall.