[Ayoob]

Just re-read the John Titor stuff.... creepy.
The guy who wrote that stuff must have been aware of peak oil, very educated on politics, good with science... Deffeyes? Some grad student with a particularly large amount of free time? It could have even been a group effort. Sneaky little f*ckers. It's eerie though, isn't it?

[lotrfan55345]

www.johntitor.com

Creepy, lots of similarities kindof.

[cador]

I love reading John Titor. I think it's a hoax but it's a beautifully constructed one. Just before leaving our current "world line" he mentions something like "when you call 911 and nobody answers the phone..." Then 6 months later 9-11 happens.

John Titor always stayed in character. I think people liked to believe his story kind of the same reason that children pretend to believe in Santa Claus.

I think that JT is a hoax because there is evidence that he had sent a fax to Art Bell in 1998 warning of the disastrous Y2K problem which failed to materialize. One could argue that JT came from a worldline where Y2K was catastrophic, however.

But I did find the reasons for him travelling back to 1975 so that he can recover an IBM 5100 computer interesting. The reasons for getting this computer was for rewriting some legacy software from old IBM mainframe computers and the 5100 was the only machine able to do that.

I also looked at the schematics of his time machine, they were very well done. I wasn't impressed much with the photographs. I think they were composed of old electronics and electrical parts covered in black paint.

If the peak oil crisis occurs within the next few months it's quite possible that John's prophecies of the future will have an 80% chance of becoming reality.

[Ayoob]

Yeah, that's what's so friggin creepy about it. I know it's a hoax, but whoever wrote it was just brilliant. I wonder if he's out there somewhere right now saying to himself... Well, it's about time to rally round the wagons and head for a farm in the middle of nowhere.

Ruppert's last economics alert postulates that PO hit in 2000 and we're on the last bit of the bumpy plateau. The evidence that contradicts that is that the stock market hasn't crashed yet. I can't possibly imagine that powerful bankers wouldn't be aware of the exact situation with oil. How could they not? It just doesn't make sense. For that reason alone, I can't buy his conclusion.

Very little of the stock market is privately held by Joe Sixpack. Simply fooling the masses isn't enough to keep it from tanking. Now the dollar thing is another matter altogether.

[cador]

If you're telling the truth, the last thing you should be doing is talking about the war and the government.

Have you considered that your society might be better off if half of you were dead?

[Guest]

In grad school we were taught that a theory does not have to be true to be useful. Most great discoveries or ideas came from things found to be false. I think JT fits in this category.

In any case, we'll know for sure about the hoax in the next few months.

If there are several waco style incidents in the next 6 months I, for one, am going to be ordering some potassium iodide and starting work on my new bomb shelter.

[big_rc]

At first I thought the whole John Titor stuff was tinfoil hat stuff. Then I started to think what could cause a civil war in 2005 in the US. Then after looking at this whole Ukraine mess, it hit me. What about some type of incontravertible evidence that the election in Ohio was rigged? Even though this doesn't get alot of news airtime, there is a large and organized effort underway in Ohio to get to the bottom of the Ohio election. Even a MIT prof examined the numbers and said that there was a 1 in 250 million chance that the actual election numbers would be so different from the exit polls in Ohio, Florida and PA. Here is a link. Interesting stuff.

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/11/ale04090.html

[americandream]

Ruppert's last economics alert postulates that PO hit in 2000 and we're on the last bit of the bumpy plateau. The evidence that contradicts that is that the stock market hasn't crashed yet. I can't possibly imagine that powerful bankers wouldn't be aware of the exact situation with oil. How could they not? It just doesn't make sense. For that reason alone, I can't buy his conclusion.

Not too sure that the powers that be are this smart, Ayoob buddy.

[BorneoRagnarok]

Now I know why Richard C. Duncan use year 2008 for Olduvai cliff .

[skiwi]

Better than science fiction novels some of the material floating around the net

I liked this quote

01-30-2001 06:21 AM

61. Can anyone tell me how many companies in the United States still manufacture bicycle tires today? Anyone who still has a bike in 2008 will find out.

(I did a quick search and couldn't find any bike tire manufacturers in the United States. Anyone else know of one?)

[cador]

Another John Titor-esque headline about the 2004 election

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=512&u=/ap/20050106/ap_on_go_co/electoral_vote&printer=1

So far the process to dispute the 2004 election has been very low key at least compared to 2000. Gore handled it very badly--making it seem like he was only looking to increase Democratic votes at whatever cost. Will something come out of this? Will there be civil unrest?

[mindfarkk]

first i've seen of this, sent it off to a bunch of my friends. very interesting. very creepy.

[PenultimateManStanding]

There's lots of people believing a lot of peculiar things as a result of listening to Art Bell and his peculiar blend of straight talkers and tellers of TALL TALES. I remember when he had a caller describe with great sincerity the well on his property out in some Midwestern town. They have been dropping stuff into this well for decades - big stuff - refrigerators, etc. Never heard anything hit the bottom yet! One guy told the story of how he learned to make fusion rockets while working in his father's machine shop. He needed help with the physics, so no less than the General Curtiss Lemay introduced him to no less than Steven Hawking! So his tests of his rocket are so spectacularly successful that the Defence Department whisks him off to Area 51 to help them reverse
-engineer alien spacecrafts that they have in their possession. All the while, the tone of authenticity has you actually believing the guy! This an old charming American tradition that Art Bell has ressurrected: telling tall tales.

[tmazanec1]

George Noory has taken over his show. Jeff Rense also has a similar one.

[PenultimateManStanding]

George is good, but I always liked Art better. He's still doing the weekend show.

[Dromescape]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Titor

Seems clever. I don't think the whole thing can really be proven one way or the other, due to the very nature of his claims about the nature of time (many-worlds theory). He may have impacted us to change a small percentage from his line, but then, any of us could, or constantly are.

It didn't hit me before when reading through the post the first time, but the 911 reference- indeed seemingly creepy timing.

His whole take on our future seems like something I might expect, anyway. Also reminded me of Heinberg's museletter "from the future".

Anyone ever seen Cube 2: Hypercube?

[PenultimateManStanding]

Any thoughts on the weirdness of late night talk radio? Maybe people in general have gotten so weird that they will buy any weird crap that comes along. I'm sorry if I offended you Jack. I'm feeling overwhelmed by the flotsam and jetsam of wrecked minds! One wants to touch base with someone who has a brain.

[EnemyCombatant]

I don't know if you guys are familiar with John Titor.

In short, Titor is a time traveller from 2036 back to November 2000 (around the time of the selections). He describes a future which in my opinion resembles a peak oil scenario. He doesn't say peak oil, but as he describes the circumstances in 2005, it parallels to what is being talked about in the 'preparation' board. He talks of a civil war which are Waco type incidents. People will have a choice to stay in the cities to receive protection, but they will have to give up civil liberties. Interestingly, he even mentions us going to war in Iraq over fake claims of nuclear weapons. I have been enjoying Titor for a while now. But after reading this board and coming to the realization of peak oil, I see too many similarities to ignore. Also Titor asks us to find out which industry contributes the most to political campaigns and to find out which companies really own the companies doing solar energy R&D.

As Titor describes 2046, it's a future with limited electricity. They are living in decentralized communities mostly powered by solar panels and windmills. But there is an Internet and of course time travel. But the way of life in 2036 is the way we would envision a post peak era with limited petro resources. Cars are in limited use but most use bicycles and horses.

People have been trying to debunk Titor every since 2000. But no one has been able to conclusively. His time travel science is sound. IMO, he's not a time traveller, but perhaps someone with much insight into our future.

If nothing else, it's a fascinating read. I gurantee you will enjoy reading this. But please comment, I would love to get the opinions of other people.

http://www.johntitor.com

[Ebyss]

How did he travel back in time with limited electricity and resources. With windmills and solar panels? Come on, seriously, I'm not going to entertain the notion of someone travelling through time by harnessing black holes or singularities with nothing but solar power and windmills.

What he's saying is nothing new, it is a conglomeration of science fiction and apocalyptic novels. These ideas are not new, they're not different, they've been discussed in many different forms by many different Sci-Fi/Fantasy writers.

He should have picked a better date than 2036. Further in to future would have sat better with Time Traveller technology. Also, why would he come back to this time? It sucks. The dinosaurs would have been WAY more interesting.

Whoever came up with the John Titor character should be commended, sounds like a good sci-fi novel premise. And all the hype with the website would make it a best seller.

[MarkL]

Other John Titor discussion threads:

Just re-read the John Titor stuff.... creepy.

John Titor's Predictions

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