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THE "John Titor" Thread (merged)

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Unread postby j_bumble » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 14:14:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ebyss', 'H')e should have picked a better date than 2036. Further in to future would have sat better with Time Traveller technology. Also, why would he come back to this time? It sucks. The dinosaurs would have been WAY more interesting.


Titor covers a lot of these bases (and they can be found on his site)
According to him: "Time travel" (more like sidestepping through infinite universes) already exists.

It takes a little bit of reading to catch clues on who it actually is, but I believe the concensus these days is that "Titor" is actually one of the people who helped build the computer he was "traveling" to get.

Nonetheless, I think he has an acute understanding of global politics (or at least historical trends) and it is an interesting read.

His scenario for 2036 does jive somewhat with possible rammifications of Peak Oil-- though I believe he claims that on his timeline there was a civil war in the United States this year (Might be 2006 instead, I can't remember)
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Unread postby Ebyss » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 14:21:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd it is an interesting read.


Hey, I never said it wasn't interesting. I love Science Fiction. :-D
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Unread postby Aaron » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 15:42:21

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The civil war in the United States will start in 2004. I would describe it as having a Waco type event every month that steadily gets worse. The conflict will consume everyone in the US by 2012 and end in 2015 with a very short WWIII.


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Unread postby Yavicleus » Tue 29 Mar 2005, 16:06:42

Last year George Mason University put on this really cool play about John Titor's writings called, "Time Traveler Zero."

If this play ever comes to a town near you, go see it. If you can get past the crappy music interludes that interspace the scenes with dialog, it is an excellent play.

That being said, John Titor was the greatest fraud of our decade. His story is an interesting one, but fiction none the less.
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Unread postby EnemyCombatant » Wed 30 Mar 2005, 10:27:05

Ebysis, don't get caught on trying to prove Titor as a hoax. Everytime I bring up Titor to someone they get sidetracked on proving it's a hoax. To me, that's not the real story here.

That is one horse that has been beaten to death over and over again.

I wanted to get discussion about his vision of our future, and I think he has a lot of insight and perhaps even insider knowledge.

When people read Titor they don't really listen to him. They just try to hang their hat on anything to prove he's a hoax. I think that's a mistake.
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Re: John Titor

Unread postby BabyPeanut » Wed 30 Mar 2005, 10:54:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'A')s Titor describes 2046, it's a future with limited electricity. They are living in decentralized communities mostly powered by solar panels and windmills. But there is an Internet

http://www.dansdata.com/power2.htm
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') don't think it's unreasonable to peg the average power consumption of a 150-watt-peak office box, even if it's turned on all day and used for a whole eight hours each day, and does not have its monitor manually turned off, at about 1.6 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per day.


http://www.transmeta.com/crusoe/crusoe_ ... m5400.html
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')rusoe TM5600 Processor Power Management Features
Crusoe TM5600 and TM5400 processors offer LongRun technology, a feature that allows the processor to adjust both its frequency and voltage to exactly the levels required by an application. This approach achieves unprecedented power savings. This allows them to operate at less than 1 watt while running ordinary office applications and as little as 60 mW when idle between keystrokes. Heavy-duty applications such as DVD movies consume on average less than 2 watts.
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PO confirms John Titor!! and by the way, hello

Unread postby markofthebeats » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 02:14:12

hi everyone, i've been lurking here for months now after finding out about peak oil in january 2004. i've since read books, made plans, tried to tell people, etc. etc. i look forward to contributing here and getting to know some of you hopefully.

most of the thoughts/ideas i have on PO have already been mentioned by someone on this site, except for this one. in summer 2003 i came across johntitor.com and found out about a crazy internet phenomenon. i'll run it down for you: in 2000 some guy under the alias John Titor started posting on a messageboard saying he was a time traveller from 2036. his stories seemed outlandish, but he kept answering questions about his future and story with great detail and consistency and in real time. even his scientific explanations of time travel have held up. he hasn't been proven wrong or right, and accurately hinted at 9/11 and other events. then he left to go back in 2001.

in his future, america enters a civil war which slowly starts unfolding in 2005 and becomes full-scale in 2008 and climaxes in a short global nuclear war in 2015. seemed way more ridiculous in 2000 that it did in 2003 and now. america and society in 2036 are agriculture-based but also include sustainable efficient technology including the internet and, yes, time travel.

i know what i'm saying sounds absolutley ridiculous. but the way he wrote it was gripping and really moved me. obivously, you think, it's not real it's friggin time travel for chrissakes - but therefore whoever wrote it has got to be a hell of a writer, and totally anonymous at that. it's one of the best works of science fiction i've ever read even though it's just a collection of messageboard postings. i like to be a skeptic and keep it in the back of my mind and it's fun to see if current events play into it or discredit it.

then a few months after reading it i found out about PO. he never mentions oil specifically, but his future "timeline" parallels that of a likely PO world - our world - in many ways. anyone care to comment?

no?

no one?

ok. *sob*
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Unread postby UIUCstudent01 » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 02:28:06

There's been one or two threads about him and the website. (Some people believe that the author of the website and such is actually the writer even if he claims that it isn't so.) He was obviously a pretty knowledgeable guy, he may have had come to realize peak oil and then made up a rough story line. (I know I have, I even thought about making a Dungeons and Dragons campaign thingy based on it.. i.e. as oil dwindles, magic makes a few appearences and many false 'second comings' happen... a game of survival/detective work to what actually happened..)

If I smell a war that the U.S. is going to initiate, I swear I'll probably try and start daily anti-war protests. DAILY. Then, if the wars start, I'll head for the hills so to speak.

The John Titor character is interesting, but unfortunately, he says that there's different time-lines and he's already seen differences. So that gives whoever wrote it some (purposeful) slack in how events pan out until 2010 or so...
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Unread postby arretium » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 02:37:04

The dude needs to show up at my house and give me the winning lotto numbers for the very next mega million and powerball lottery tomorrow. Then I can really start preparing for peak oil...
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 11:05:05

Disagree on the civil war timeliine. The USA could break up like the Soviet Union did, but that would require many years of misery and complete economic collapse. For most people, the misery hasn't even started. No civil war or secession will happen before 2020. After that, it becomes likely. The US military will mutiny when they are no longer paid. Then the Pacific coast and New England will have an opportunity to break away from the carcass of the Holy American Empire.
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Unread postby BiGG » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 12:41:23

A good story debunking "John Titor" can found here.
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Unread postby threadbear » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 13:01:37

I read the Titor stuff last year. What I found kind of interesting is that he didn't mention peak oil, but did say his father made a living by moving cargo up and down the west coast, in a--now get this--sailing vessel. That kind of got my attention.

His civil war breaks down, not in a red state, blue state way, but in a rural urban divide, after many city dwellers leave the cities to take refuge in the country. Russia helps the peasants revolt.

Good stuff, sci-fi, or otherwise. I think it can be assumed that we have time travellers among us. But the problem may be that to traverse time, you have to traverse space, even just incrementally-- from one parallel dimension to another. This would account for the different time lines.

Bigg--Why on earth would anyone want to read a good "debunking" article? Sceptical article, yes. Debunking, no.
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Re: PO confirms John Titor!! and by the way, hello

Unread postby WebHubbleTelescope » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 13:39:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('markofthebeats', 'h')i everyone, i've been lurking here for months now after finding out about peak oil in january 2004. i've since read books, made plans, tried to tell people, etc. etc. i look forward to contributing here and getting to know some of you hopefully.


I would not have made the association of Titor with peak oil; instead try trolls, urban legends, and other such nonsense.

BTW, I don't think this message board was up in january 2004. Are you a troll?
Don't take that wrong, if you have really been lurking for that long, you would realize that the purpose of most posts here is to debunk silly arguments.
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Re: PO confirms John Titor!! and by the way, hello

Unread postby markofthebeats » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 14:26:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('WebHubbleTelescope', '
')BTW, I don't think this message board was up in january 2004. Are you a troll?
Don't take that wrong, if you have really been lurking for that long, you would realize that the purpose of most posts here is to debunk silly arguments.


no, i started going to lifeaftertheoilcrash.net then. i've only been lurking here for a few months. i really enjoy reading here. i figured something kind of silly like john titor would fit in "open discussion."
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Unread postby markofthebeats » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 14:31:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', 'A') good story debunking "John Titor" can found here.


interesting, i've read a lot of bad debunking theories (on the anomalies board). i wasn't really convinced (he makes a lot of assumptions to prove paper money couldn't exist, and the capitalist and communist characteristics of JT's future don't have to be contradictory at all) until he started talking about the paradox of the concept of worldlines, which never occured to me. hmm.
but really, we'll know more and more for sure as more events unfold. and 100% for sure by 2008 i guess.
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Unread postby BiGG » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 15:25:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
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Bigg--Why on earth would anyone want to read a good "debunking" article? Sceptical article, yes. Debunking, no.



I gotta admit I’m scratching my noggin on this one.

Are you saying the link I posted “didn’t” completely debunk the illustrious "John Titor", or are you saying have you no desire to read articles such as that showing the fraud?
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Unread postby BiGG » Sun 24 Apr 2005, 15:53:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('markofthebeats', '
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but really, we'll know more and more for sure as more events unfold. and 100% for sure by 2008 i guess.


Soothsayers such as "John Titor" can be found everywhere and he is clearly not even that good of one getting caught posing as yet another alien on another board as mentioned in the article for one thing. It does show how many gullible people out there buy into his type of banter though and that should scare you imo.

Nonetheless, preparing oneself for the world he describes is prudent advice I’m sure, as I almost expect a nearly complete societal collapse myself and the more prepared for that you are will help you out in life whether it happens or not.

Too many are still under the illusion others will always be there to take care of them and they are forever known as what’s called victims in the end if things like societal breakdown happens for any reason, short or long term.
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Unread postby 4StringSlinger » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 12:14:21

This has been thououghly debunked many times over.

Gimme a fuckin break already.

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Unread postby threadbear » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 13:41:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
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Bigg--Why on earth would anyone want to read a good "debunking" article? Sceptical article, yes. Debunking, no.



I gotta admit I’m scratching my noggin on this one.

Are you saying the link I posted “didn’t” completely debunk the illustrious "John Titor", or are you saying have you no desire to read articles such as that showing the fraud?


bigg, I generally don't read anything that's referred to as "debunking" The term implies that the investigator has approached the subject with an agenda, and generally does everything but investigate. It's a semantics thing. If you had described the link as "discrediting", I would have looked at it. I admit, it appears I'm splitting hairs here, but it's an important distinction. I actually agree with you, more or less, about Titor. I also think it's perfectly legitimate to assume there are actual time travellers among us. I would assume they'd keep as low a profile as possible, though.
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Unread postby entropyfails » Mon 25 Apr 2005, 14:07:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')I also think it's perfectly legitimate to assume there are actual time travellers among us. I would assume they'd keep as low a profile as possible, though.

Why?

If the “infinite worlds” theory of time travel holds, then why wouldn't you just go “back” and screw things up for fun then go to a timeline where you didn't screw thing up. If you have 1 time traveler and infinite possible destinations then you have a 1/infinity probability of being in a universe with a time traveler... ie 0% chance. If you have 100 billion time travelers, you get the same probability.

If the “single timeline” theory holds, then nothing you can do back in time will change what happens in the “future” because only one timeline exists. So we would see many “time travelers.”

More likely, time travel won't work in any universe because the past and the future don't have any reality. We exists in a universe that has an instantaneous past linked to an immediate future separated by 1 plank interval in time. Everything else serves as semantic window dressing.

Titor just played into our hopes and fears because he got drunk one night and hatched a little scheme (read his first posts where he admits being drunk on his first “day back in time”, nice guy to pick eh?) People spent years wringing their hands over it and the most ardent believers who researched it ended up finding out that he's just some guy on the internet, like everyone else said.

I don't understand why this keeps coming up.
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