[Carlhole]

Video of 1968 Buckley - Vidal Debate from ABC News, August 28, 1968: link
Vidal: "the only pro or crypto-Nazi here is yourself."
Buckley: "Now listen, you queer, you stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered."

During the Republican and Democratic Conventions, ABC news thought it would be more interesting to have a debate between two leading intellects, one representing the right wing and one representing the left. They contracted William F. Buckley Jr.and Gore Vidal. ABC got more than they bargained for, especially on August 28, when the two men nearly came to blows after they presented opposing arguments about the right to assemble as guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution.

[MattSavinar]

Mexico's Oil Production Peak = Martial Law in the US?
Just posted this to LATOC, curious what you all think: link

[The_Toecutter]

Had Mexico's elections not been tampered with, this uprising may not have started on the level it has today. But no surprise, the elites in government and industry(especially oil) have no problem sacrificing our civil liberties to make themselves feel more secure and in order to maximize their profit margins.

Good article, but I could see such a scenario playing out over 10-15 years, not 1 year or less.

[DantesPeak]

My own expectation is that Mexico will become an oil importer around 2011. However because it is already importing gasoline and similar products, it will probably become a net energy importer as early as 2010. They have had some success with increasing NG production this last year or so, and may continue to do so for another year, but after that they will need more NG imports.

With this in mind, real energy use per person may hang on for a few more years, and will probably defer major political uprisings. After that when the down slope in energy per person starts, it will be downhill for their political system too. The same thing will happen in the US too.

[pup55]

Several comments:

1. If you export the most productive 10 million citizens from a country, it probably goes without saying that the leftovers will be left with a lot of problems.

2. Ironically at this point these guys are now in competition with the Pacific Rim for production of cheap junk. We were down there a couple of years ago, and all the stuff i n the tourist shops had "Made in Thailand" stickers on them. I understand that a lot of the Maquiladora plants that were built in the 80's and 90's are now shutting the doors, and the work being transferred to China. This is particularly serious in the automotive parts business, where conditions are terrible anyway.

3. The housing bubble disaster shaping up in the US will probably happen before the oil disaster. When construction in the US grinds to a halt, like it did in 1983, a lot of these guys will be SOL. The migrants, being responsible, like they are, are sending billions back across the border to take care of their families back home. When this source of money dries up there are going to be a lot of problems.

4. They have not yet gotten the message on such issues as having an understandable legal system, control over corruption (particularly as far as drug money is concerned) and wealth concentration. They had similar problems a few years ago with violence in the southern part of the country, and they had to call in the army to settle it down.

5. I can't help thinking that all of these laid off construction workers will try to compete for other low-end jobs in the US, thus causing a lot of problems in the inner cities, particularly competing with the unskilled blacks.

6. Speaking of inner cities, Mexico's #2 export, after their productive population, is cheap dope. You can expect this trade to increase even more, causing even more problems.

[Cobra_Strike]

Having been a fan Matt, and having reading your site for a while....this scares me just a tiny bit more then most of your site normally does...this has a very 'impending' feel to it. Keep up the aggregating.

[Dreamtwister]

I love reading your site Matt. It reminds me that every silver lining has a cloud. Thanks lol!

[MattSavinar]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'H')aving been a fan Matt, and having reading your site for a while....this scares me just a tiny bit more then most of your site normally does...t.

[Ayoob]

Sounds good to me. That's pretty much how I see it playing out. Hopefully the hippies will end up caught up in the sweeps and end up in the camps.

As long as there is a functioning government, I think the camps are going to get bigger and bigger. Life from now on is going to be a game called, "Stay out of the Camps."

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ife from now on is going to be a game called, "Stay out of the Camps."

[emailking]

I don't think that will happen, because if it does that will suck for me and pretty soon, and I don't want things to suck for me. So I don't think it will happen. This is seriously what is going through my mind.

[The_Toecutter]

That's how a lot of people will think. They will try to make reality change just by changing their outlook. We all know that doing such is just plain irrational. But you won't be able to move things in a positive direction unless you're willing to confront the reality of what is happening around you.

[NEOPO]

[Ayoob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ife from now on is going to be a game called, "Stay out of the Camps."

[The_Toecutter]

I gladly will if it ever happens, provided I'm not beetle food.

[Zentric]

Neopo. The flag you're showing is offensive. It's too true .

[Fishman]

Cantrell declining will be hell for Mexico but I don't think it will be martial law for the US. The Minutemen so malinged will be the tripwire alerting the US on the onset of the huge influx. Can you say "Great Wall" on the southern border? as the fence/ border protection goes up. As repulsive as this is to many the US will be only the first of many countries to build walls as peak oil plays out. It might not do any good however.
That flag plays pretty good in Iran right now.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'L')ife from now on is going to be a game called, "Stay out of the Camps."

[Cobra_Strike]

I really wish I had more firearms on hand right now...not old enough to legally obtain sidearms...

[manu]

Cobra strike, get a bow.