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Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby Kristen » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 02:08:03

When you hear the word consume, what does that mean to you. I imagine a 12 foot snake swallowing an elephant in one gulp. It's kind've a degrading word if you ask me.
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby WildRose » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 04:11:32

Yeah, Kristen, your description gave me quite a mental picture of "consume". I imagine an amoeba or a white blood cell.

The word definitely has negative connotations although consumers are a part of the life cycle. I guess it's just the extremes we humans take consumption to.
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby ipWinston » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 07:41:19

oh this sounds fun


how bout

a 350 pound guy eating a big mac and drinking a coke in a brand new Escalade with 21" rims towing a jetski in the back
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby TommyJefferson » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 08:34:45

My image of that word is what ipWinston said, a mindless animal, a consumer of Prolefeed.

I am not a "consumer". I am a citizen. I am a human being.
Conform . Consume . Obey .
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby TheTurtle » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 09:02:04

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I am not a consumer ... I am a free man!
“Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves.” (Ted Perry)
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby Laughs_Last » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 09:39:17

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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby lateralus » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 11:23:11

Consumer = Locust

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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby Wickan » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 12:51:59

Pac-Man.

Kidding. Kind of. 8)
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby SDC » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 13:08:28

I agree with TommyJefferson and ipWinston - A "consumer" brings up images in my mind of a person who is not thought of as a person in their own right by TPTB, just another money-generator in their system.
I might be wrong.
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby perdition79 » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 15:03:51

I despise being labelled as a consumer or a motorist. I do more than consume and drive! It's similar to when the word "obey" is used instead of the word "observe."
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 17:17:31

I object to the term "consumer" being used when "citizen" is actually meant.

This is caused by increasing amount of business terminology that has crept into management and politics.

For example, rate payers are local citizens rather than "consumers of local services".
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 17:22:35

As a person who saves money, that is, who produces more than he consumes, I am more accurately termed a "producer".
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 17:37:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'A')s a person who saves money, that is, who produces more than he consumes, I am more accurately termed a "producer".


Not true, you eat, you use fuel etc. Your "money" that you save is purely hallucinated wealth. It is not anything real.

What do you really produce?
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 18:05:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'N')ot true, you eat, you use fuel etc. Your "money" that you save is purely hallucinated wealth. It is not anything real.

What do you really produce?

I cannot create matter or energy, that is true, but I can create things that people want that did not exist before. Yes, I consume some goods produced by others, but I produce goods that other people value even more highly than that which I consume. In my particular case I create software that did not exist before, and which people value because it helps them work more efficiently (do more with less). I'm pretty sure the bullion in my safe is not hallucinated. The mutual funds may be hallucinated though.
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 18:14:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'I')n my particular case I create software that did not exist before, and which people value because it helps them work more efficiently (do more with less).


Or does it just help us plunder the planet more efficiently?
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby mattduke » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 18:50:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'O')r does it just help us plunder the planet more efficiently?

Is plunder the right word? I suppose the question is whether consumption of non-renewable resources is wrong (when humans do it) or not. Or do you believe it is ok for individuals to consume non-renewable resources if they only do it "a little"? Since I suppose you too consume non-renewable resources, then you must believe it is ok. Now multiply by 6 billion and you get peak oil, eventually. I won't ask you to apologize for your existence.
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby rogerhb » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 19:18:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mattduke', 'I')s plunder the right word?


But also our industrial societies enable plundering of renewable resources in excess of their renewal rates.

What we think of as making us "more efficient" allows us to then exploit more, not less.

Remember back in the 70s, the claim that computerisation would increase leisure time though automation of many manual functions? Did it ever happen?
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sun 29 Oct 2006, 19:24:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')emember back in the 70s, the claim that computerisation would increase leisure time though automation of many manual functions? Did it ever happen?


Nope. The profit drive of the few outweighed the interests of the many. Productivity doubled, but annual incomes still declined and working hours still increased.

The way our economic system is currently used is a cancer upon this Earth. All of this, peak oil, dieoff, resource wars, so that the elite of our society may maximize their returns and control over people's lives. Our civil liberties get sacrificed so that they can have the illusion of security, our taxes increase so that they may take more from us without putting it back into the system, and globalization is pushed not for the benefit of others, but to extract as much wealth from them as possible. Given a world of finite resources, this cannot continue forever. But once that wealth is extracted as much as possible, they damn well intend to hold onto it.
The unnecessary felling of a tree, perhaps the old growth of centuries, seems to me a crime little short of murder. ~Thomas Jefferson
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Re: Whats wrong with the word "Consumer"

Unread postby oowolf » Mon 30 Oct 2006, 17:20:23

All living things are "consumers" of some form of energy. As Catton noted, we're now more detritivores than omnivores, thanks to the ubiquitousness of fossil fuels.

I prefer the dystopian, more Kunstleresque, pejorative term "consumeroid zombie" to describe the brain-dead hordes of media-hypnotized automatons that constitute Middle Amerika.
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