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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Peak_Plus » Thu 11 May 2006, 12:56:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')Dom, now you're talking like the collapse of the dollar is just a routine event. So what do you call a "collapse" Dom?


Yes, all collapse is routine.
Happens again and again. Every empire falls - or collapses, if you like. Rubel collapses, peso collapses, yen collapses, etc..

Only one "collapse" is not routine - The downside of the slope of PO - unless you come back in 150million years, that is.

Using the world's oil resources is a ONE TIME EVENT.

Even if it is a non-event, JD.

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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby sameu » Thu 11 May 2006, 13:17:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Peak_Plus', 'I') close my eyes and you can't see me!!


héhé I was thinking the same :-p

anyway if you reason like that, aids is a non-event, the genocide in darfour is a non-event, palistina is an non-event, and so on
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 11 May 2006, 13:32:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '.')..That's why there will never be a real Peak Oil "event". Peak Oil is pure virtuality, a fantasy world. It sells well now, but it will never be Real.


*nudge, nudge

wink, wink*


You ol' prankster, you.

You and JD e-mail each other all day, regaling each other with how you're getting to them dumb doomsters on the PeakOil forum, don'tcha?

Psych! And we've been falling for it all along! I gotta hand it to you. You guys are great.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Free » Thu 11 May 2006, 13:37:34

If you cross a street, do you look left and right first?

Of course not, because every truck that is not right in your field of view is a non-event, it doesn't effect you!

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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Corpsicle » Thu 11 May 2006, 14:36:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Free', 'I')f you cross a street, do you look left and right first?
Of course not, because every truck that is not right in your field of view is a non-event, it doesn't effect you!


You just don't get it, do you?
Have you any idea how many cars pass you by while you are walking on the sidewalk? And yet none of them crash into you. Wonder why that is, huh. Oh I forgot, because they haven't crashed into you yet, but wait just a little, and you'll see!

I'm tired of cars not crashing into me while I walk on the sidewalk. For all intents and purposes, the statistical chance of any one car killing me on the sidewalk is practically zero - it doesn't affect me in any way, shape or form.

Especially since I never walk on the sidewalk.

So show me how cars crashing into me whilst I'm walking on the sidewalk affects me. Go on, I double-dare you. Want to make it a bet? Huh? Are you talking to me?

So I've given up. There's no use trying to reason with some people, to deign to show them the Light of Truth radiating from my Excellence, for they live in the Dark.

Cars, therefore, are a non-issue to me. Henceforth, I shall cross the street at will, staring straight ahead, and be at peace, free of these ridiculous, hysterical concerns, spawned by a communist media who are merely focusing on negative news.

When was the last time you read "man crosses street safely" in a newspaper? There, you see? You see? Huh?

So I have decided that debunking this unpatriotic conspiracy of the MSN - who even has the gall to report on the number of people killed in Iraq, without for one second looking at it the numbers from a 100-year perspective - is a waste of my Valuable Time, and Intellect, and I shan't concern myself with it any further.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby sameu » Fri 12 May 2006, 13:04:03

not walking on the sidewalk ya dunce, crossing the street :roll:
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby lorenzo » Fri 12 May 2006, 14:13:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sameu', 'n')ot walking on the sidewalk ya dunce, crossing the street :roll:


While you guys are discussing sidewalks and crossing streets an entirely new highway's being built and you're not even noticing it!!


I think we should dump the street/sidewalk/newhighway metaphor, though, it's getting confusing.


Anyway: why did the chicken cross the road?
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Wildwell » Fri 12 May 2006, 15:45:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lorenzo', '
')Anyway: why did the chicken cross the road?


To escape being turned into fuel.. :shock:
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 14:28:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'I') measure events in terms of objective criteria like body count. There simply aren't enough troops dying in Iraq to constitute an "event".

It just seems like an event due to all the media obsession and hype. Objectively speaking, GI Joe getting killed in Iraq is no more significant than Average Joe getting killed on the freeway.


Ban this nasty little sociopath, Aaron. Run his rotten ass out of here.


Yeah good going.

Now let's work on RWWFF who takes almost every post and tries to make it a post that revolves around his cornucopian day dream.
what? like 4000 posts in 6 months all about his corncopian BS...I can hardly stand it.............

While we are at it let's remove Lorenzo as well as it is very evident what he contributes here.

I could add a few others to that list yet at least some of them seem to contribute or otherwise entertain us.

Banning people is bad if thats all you go about doing yet Do we really need this crap?

At least Specop toned it down some and respected the fact that many people here are real tired of walking around in circles with them.

If I didnt know better I would say that we have been "invaded" just like I wanted to invade other forums with the PO message.
We seem to have been invaded by NEOmoderates.

As I judge I am also prepared to be judged.
It would suit me just fine if poll's were taken here to decide who shall stay and who shall go and if I am one of the people most vote to leave then I would go post haste.

I wonder if Lorenzo, rwwff and the others would be willing to take such a poll and abide by the results?
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 15:30:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') wonder if Lorenzo, rwwff and the others would be willing to take such a poll and abide by the results?


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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby NEOPO » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 15:50:26

Call me crazy but I go back and read what some people have stated here from day one and in the case of rwwff that is no small task.

I also have a very good memory so I remember rwwff saying things like:
"I dont care if anyone takes me seriously"
or
"This is entertainment to me"

That is what he says when he is cornered yet notice how often he posts and how adamantly he stands by his convictions.
He seems to care alot.

You can easily sense Lorenzo's BS and I can sense the BS coming from RWWFF, PMS, the new resident jew racist Kam et al.
SSDD and I am personally very tired of it.
Thats right I said PMS.
After PMS pm'ed me to say he smokes pot yet doesnt want anyone to know because of his POSITION (history teacher) etc etc blah and then he goes on to call me a pot smoker 10 times in order to discredit me after I handed him his ass on the pot smoking issue.....the rest is evident.
PMS threatened me and called me a MOTHERFUCKER for posting a "vampire link" to a rage against the machine song on a thread that IMO should have been moved to the hall of flames long ago.

These people do not represent the "other" view - they push the neocon view.
rwwff and others have stated albeit somewhat covertly that they are happy with resource wars and that it will allow americans to continue with their unsutainability alittle while longer.

These people are sick....

Sick people who need psych help yet here they are just as welcomed as anyone...to stay....to post crap.....to deny the real ramifications of PO etc etc.
I read back and see Monte trying to show RWWFF et al that their reasoning is flawed.
I read back and see most of the sensible people here trying to talk some sense into them.
I read forward and see how nothing much has phased them and even when it does they flip from cornucopian to doomer in seconds.

If I didnt believe it was some sort of forum "invasion" I would think that they are perfectly insane.........
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby rwwff » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 16:00:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'T')hese people do not represent the "other" view - they push the neocon view.


I read nothing in the Code of Conduct that stated that the neocon view was forbidden. Though I am not precisely a neocon; I'm a bit farther to the right than they are; though perhaps a bit to the left of most of my friends and associates.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'r')wwff and others have stated albeit somewhat covertly that they are happy with resource wars and that it will allow americans to continue with their unsutainability alittle while longer.


Happy would be the wrong word. I believe that they are inevitable. I also believe that if you engage in a war, you must fight to win. Bush is a bit soft on that score.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') read back and see Monte trying to show RWWFF et al that their reasoning is flawed.


Currently, I agree with Monte for most of his predictions. Personally, I think all of the possible solutions are too vile for most people to even contemplate.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 16:28:46

A few people have been banned from here lately, and I believe they were the most firm believers in podebunked. I am trying not to generalize too much, but those true podebunked believers were the most disruptive. Lorenzo now seems to me to be some kind of paid shill for the podebunking industry, although he hasn't admitted or denied this (and I am sorry in advance if my judgement on this turns out wrong).

What's worse is that the media has taken on choosing sides in this PO debate - and has more than made up for the loss of podebunked. Reminds me of the long drawn out global warming debate. Newsweek thinks nothing of providing a new "what, me worry about PO?" story today. Even the otherwise reasoned lewrockwell.com is bashing PO. Most every media commentator states energy prices are too high and supplies are more than adequate. It's almost like 1984, repeat the lie often enough and you will be forecd to beieve. I think the inability to grasp PO relates to the fundemental belief in the 'free market' system where the free market and technology will solve every problem. Yes we have come so far, and yes there is still a small chance fusion or something else will provide more energy until we are up to our waists in toxic waste - but I wouldn't bet on that happening now.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Dezakin » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 16:42:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'L')orenzo now seems to me to be some kind of paid shill for the podebunking industry, although he hasn't admitted or denied this (and I am sorry in advance if my judgement on this turns out wrong).

Someone disagrees with your PoV and he's a paid shill for 'the industry?'

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat's worse is that the media has taken on choosing sides in this PO debate - and has more than made up for the loss of podebunked. Reminds me of the long drawn out global warming debate. Newsweek thinks nothing of providing a new "what, me worry about PO?" story today. Even the otherwise reasoned lewrockwell.com is bashing PO. Most every media commentator states energy prices are too high and supplies are more than adequate. It's almost like 1984, repeat the lie often enough and you will be forecd to beieve. I think the inability to grasp PO relates to the fundemental belief in the 'free market' system where the free market and technology will solve every problem. Yes we have come so far, and yes there is still a small chance fusion or something else will provide more energy until we are up to our waists in toxic waste - but I wouldn't bet on that happening now.

Fission works and you can make fuel from water and rocks.

Unconventional oil will last us a good several decades before we need to start doing that anyways. I'm betting (and will bet anyone here) that the global economy in 25 years will be larger, and in 50 years will be larger still. I'm betting that in 25 and 50 years global energy production/consumption will be larger than today also.

Bet against Simon if you want.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 16:54:35

Dezakin - I don't expect you to look through all Lorenzo posts to discover this, but Lorenzo appears to putting forth the exact position of an interest group.

So what's wrong with that? I guess nothing except it may hide an ulterior interest to disrupt PO.com.

On the fission thing, care to explain why its not commercially viable at this point if it were so easy to do?
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby Dezakin » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 17:52:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'D')ezakin - I don't expect you to look through all Lorenzo posts to discover this, but Lorenzo appears to putting forth the exact position of an interest group.

So what's wrong with that? I guess nothing except it may hide an ulterior interest to disrupt PO.com.

Thats awfully paranoid. Looking at his posts, they seem far too disconected and devoid of a central theme to be advocating a particular interest group. Too many different things that will 'save us' and not enough focus on whatever lobby as the only solution.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the fission thing, care to explain why its not commercially viable at this point if it were so easy to do?

Coal is the same price in many places and even cheaper near the mine, and for some reason has avoided political controversy that nuclear. That will change when the price of coal and natural spikes because of increased demand from coal liquefaction plants.

France provides the vast majority of its power from nuclear today, due largely to a dearth of coal. In the US, several commercial reactors are being planned now. In Alberta, several oil companies (TotalFinaElf springs to mind) are lobbying the provincial government for licences for nuclear plants for process heat for oil extraction. They can see whats going to happen to natural gas in the region.
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Re: peakoildebunked retires

Unread postby DantesPeak » Mon 02 Oct 2006, 18:37:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'D')ezakin - I don't expect you to look through all Lorenzo posts to discover this, but Lorenzo appears to putting forth the exact position of an interest group.

So what's wrong with that? I guess nothing except it may hide an ulterior interest to disrupt PO.com.

Thats awfully paranoid. Looking at his posts, they seem far too disconected and devoid of a central theme to be advocating a particular interest group. Too many different things that will 'save us' and not enough focus on whatever lobby as the only solution.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')n the fission thing, care to explain why its not commercially viable at this point if it were so easy to do?

Coal is the same price in many places and even cheaper near the mine, and for some reason has avoided political controversy that nuclear. That will change when the price of coal and natural spikes because of increased demand from coal liquefaction plants.

France provides the vast majority of its power from nuclear today, due largely to a dearth of coal. In the US, several commercial reactors are being planned now. In Alberta, several oil companies (TotalFinaElf springs to mind) are lobbying the provincial government for licences for nuclear plants for process heat for oil extraction. They can see whats going to happen to natural gas in the region.


Listen, I tried to be nice and all I got is unnecessary insults from you twice. I do not want to nor need to go round and round with you or Lorenzo or anyone else here. I have no vested interest in PO. If you really want to know what Lorenzo said, just go back and read his posts. Make your own conclusions. Don't attack me because of the crazy things he said and what he is trying to do.

Read this for example of what Lorenzo says:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ll I said was that the Americans were lucky for being separated from the rest of the world by two oceans, and that of all major countries involved in the World War, they suffered least because they didn't really intervene with any force. And yes, I personally think they came too late in Europe. They weren't here in 1939, 1940, 1941, 1942, 1943 and 1944.

http://www.peakoil.com/post364690.html#364690

I'm not sure what your answer above has to do with fusion, but at this point please don't bother responding any more. Thanks.
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