[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'I')n a state of perfection death does not exist, don't beleive it ? Fine, don't believe it.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have seized upon the first piece of dogma that you were presented with and you now declare it as the "truth".

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')las, that is pure shite. I don't know what else to tell you.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')f only that were true. The reality is that the Bible thumpers and Ragheads keep pushing on everyone and everything around them and gradually stomping out Reason.

[Heineken]

Meanwhile, on to my 2000th post, rwwff buddy. Sure took awhile, despite the monumental amount of time I've wasted here.

May Allah have mercy on my infidel soul (fat chance, right?).

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'M')eanwhile, on to my 2000th post, rwwff buddy. Sure took awhile, despite the monumental amount of time I've wasted here.

May Allah have mercy on my infidel soul (fat chance, right?).

[rwwff]

after the battle... and the world is ended, burned to a cinder in a great orgy of bloodlust...

we awaken in the afterlife...

Loki stands before us, smiling, "Dudes, yall have some screwed up beliefs, but dang, that was an awesome party there at the end, no? Come on, follow me, pubs this way."

[NEOPO]

Ok Roger - you are correct for the most part and yes this applies to all of us to some degree or another.

The only thing I want to add is the "unknown" element.
You know the one that says "question everything".

Where does this quality come from.... in your opinion?

Some of us were born to fight both mentally and physically.
Seems rather genetic - I wonder why.....no I dont I just say that so maybe others will wonder and then realize and then we can all sit around with our chin on our hands thinking together;-)
hmmmmm oam oam oam

Thursdays are my favorite
Ok where did dumbass go now.....
Did that dumbass say I was dead spiritually?

Clueless - your name fits you well.
Organized religion is far from spirituality which is more of a personal thing but then you wouldnt know that would you

Jesus the christ asks you to take no thought for your life nor what ye shall put on...... etc etc...... do you follow his words?

He also says that it is an evil generation who seeks a sign much like someone caring/worrying about peak oil.......people like yourself really should not be here if indeed you had faith.

Oh ye of little faith - strain at a gnat yet swallow a camel.

He also asked you to be as harmless as a dove yet as wise as a serpent - guess 1 out of two aint bad - Harmless perhaps.

This Jesus asked many things - I see NONE who follow his words.

You there with a bible in your hand - pathetic - some white guy named Constantine I is why you have that book.

Read and learn............... or not.

No no it is you and people like you who are incapable of looking deeper that make a debate impossible.

Imagine - so many "good" books yet you choose only one and ignore the rest?
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

nuh nuh nuh!!! buh bye!!

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'D')ebating you is fruitless for the following reasons:


1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'M')eanwhile, on to my 2000th post, rwwff buddy. Sure took awhile, despite the monumental amount of time I've wasted here.

May Allah have mercy on my infidel soul (fat chance, right?).

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'M')eanwhile, on to my 2000th post, rwwff buddy. Sure took awhile, despite the monumental amount of time I've wasted here.

May Allah have mercy on my infidel soul (fat chance, right?).

[galacticsurfer]

I don't quite get the idea of debating religion. If we had never learned to read and write there would have been no holy books to fight about just customs of different tribes(of whom you can read in old testament) who were all about the same and had the same customs almost completely. The only difference was blood lines. Jewish religion is now only religion left with this concept although conversions are accepted. All the gods were just statues made to look like the people who made them and the stories told about them represented their ideals(thor, Allah, Jupiter,Jehovah, Baal, etc). The bible was always written post facto to make it seem as if they had been far advanced in religious concepts compared to the population around them(monotheistic hundreds of years in advance of others while really this was not true). Essentially when you accept the bible it is like accepting a falsified historical drama. You must know that in modern seminaries this is all standard knowledge. The gospels are also a jumble of anecdotes and sayings collected from older jewish sayings(sermon on the mount, etc.). Letters by apostles could have been faked to great extent of course. Book of Daniel for example was a typical fake written a couple hundred years after the fact.

Another point however is spiritual belief. I am deeply spiritual and believe in God or "the Great Spirit" or whatever. Atheism is a modern scientific religion by people who think they are dead already. If so they should shoot themselves. This is a terrible shame. This is the dominant world religion which is now destroying our planet in connection with the capitalistic / industrial system. All those French and British thinkers from 250 years ago were right to want free thought after hundreds of years of oppression by a stultifying dictatorial church but "God is Dead" was only in their minds.

God is a felt reality and not an intellectual concept. God is simply love. Jesus says this. You can read it in Hindu scriptures. This is the only truth which exists and it is not intellectually to be proved or disproved. The main problem with religion or patriotism or any other belief system which results in arguments, war, etc. is that people mistake their feelings as such with an object of attachment(Jesus, US flag, Allah). This is due to indoctrination. Truth is however universal and eternal and could not be attached to any specific object in such a way.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') am convinced that we do generally believe the first thing we are told about a new subject. When we find contradictory evidence later it is hard but not impossible to unlearn or amend your understanding.

Hence the old priest's adage, "Give me child till the age of four, and he will belong to the church for life." (or similar).

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ome construct fantastical beliefs systems to pretend that there exists something after death, such as this imagined "state of perfection". This, is then tucked away at the back of the brain to be prodded every Sunday morning, but for the rest of ones life, life just goes on, until one day, it doesn't.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')esus the christ asks you to take no thought for your life nor what ye shall put on...... etc etc...... do you follow his words?

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')lueless, you make it too easy to debate you. I made a claim on this thread which I will repeat here " Its (the bible) interpretation to justify death and destruction far outweighs it's interpretation to benefit humanity if you look at history".

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '
')Well - That is what it says....Very similiar to the Declaration of Independence makes claims about GOD that athiests don't agree with, but it is a document we build our society on nonetheless.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is what it says........that is what it says...........that is what it says................

You are a good christian soldier surrending all inquiry over to a 2000 year old fairy tail.

I never could follow recipes.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hat is what it says........that is what it says...........that is what it says................

You are a good christian soldier surrending all inquiry over to a 2000 year old fairy tail.

I never could follow recipes.

[Ibon]

I thought the trailer to the upcoming Jesus Camp movie is appropriate to add to the lively discussion on this thread!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE