[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'L')ike I said, MORALLY BANKRUPT......

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'M')onte also says that only new ecological paradigm will have a chance in avoiding a die-off.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Z', '.') You are blaming religion about a biological fact. 'be fruitful and multiply' is incredible because it is an order you cannot escape. It is self-evident. And eventually it will lead to an apocalypse. Everything proceeds according to the plan. There is no stopping it. Never was.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')amine is mentioned clearly in the bible because famine was present. Die off due to overpopulation is not mentioned. I wonder why? Could it be because there was no context for such knowledge amoungst the authors of the bible?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'a') major power broker in that revolution was Cardinal Sin, a catholic bishop.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', '
')
Read this verse about suburbia -

Isa 5:8-10 Woe unto them that join house to house, that lay field to field, till there be no place, that they may be placed alone in the midst of the earth! (9) In mine ears said the LORD of hosts, Of a truth many houses shall be desolate, even great and fair, without inhabitant. (10) Yea, ten acres of vineyard shall yield one bath, and the seed of an homer shall yield an ephah.

Not deploying yourself in the land properly will cause famine conditions.

[galacticsurfer]

Ok lets get really blatant. Here are the seven plagues from KJ Version of Revelations 16.

16:1 I heard a loud voice out of the temple, saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the seven bowls of the wrath of God on the earth!"

16:2 The first went, and poured out his bowl into the earth, and it became a harmful and evil sore on the people who had the mark of the beast, and who worshiped his image.

16:3 The second angel poured out his bowl into the sea, and it became blood as of a dead man. Every living thing in the sea died.

16:4 The third poured out his bowl into the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood.
16:5 I heard the angel of the waters saying, "You are righteous, who are and who were, you Holy One, because you have judged these things.

16:6 For they poured out the blood of the saints and the prophets, and you have given them blood to drink. They deserve this."

16:7 I heard the altar saying, "Yes, Lord God, the Almighty, true and righteous are your judgments."

16:8 The fourth poured out his bowl on the sun, and it was given to him to scorch men with fire.
16:9 People were scorched with great heat, and people blasphemed the name of God who has the power over these plagues. They didn't repent and give him glory.

16:10 The fifth poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and his kingdom was darkened. They gnawed their tongues because of the pain,

16:11 and they blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores. They didn't repent of their works.

16:12 The sixth poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates. Its water was dried up, that the way might be made ready for the kings that come from the sunrise.

16:13 I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits, something like frogs;

16:14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs; which go forth to the kings of the whole inhabited earth, to gather them together for the war of that great day of God, the Almighty.

16:15 "Behold, I come like a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his clothes, so that he doesn't walk naked, and they see his shame."

16:16 He gathered them together into the place which is called in Hebrew, Megiddo.

16:17 The seventh poured out his bowl into the air. A loud voice came forth out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!"

16:18 There were lightnings, sounds, and thunders; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since there were men on the earth, so great an earthquake, so mighty.

16:19 The great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered in the sight of God, to give to her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

16:20 Every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 16:21 Great hailstones, about the weight of a talent, came down out of the sky on people. People blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, for this plague is exceedingly severe.
I underlined what I perceive as environemntally caused disasters such as extreme heat, the islands sinking away, a great earthquake might be caused when greenland or antarctica lose the ice suddenly destabilizing earth's crust causing extreme earthquake which destroys mountain ranges even.Hailstones are obvious- extreme hot and cold fronts hitting each other caused by changing conditions(Day After Tomorrow). what could cause darkness over an entire country? About "every living thing died in the sea" we can really accept as nowadays the entire ocean is starting to be killed off by acidity. Most fishes have been completely overfished and jelly fish are a plague on beaches in resorts(mediterranean).

Now being practical and spiritually minded I could imagine some guy having a vision of the future in a trance and describing some scenario he saw in terms of the religion he understood at the time. This could all be conceivably true. We just have to sort out what is going on in terms of our reality, avoiding the religious talk. If we accept that some of this seems to be an ecological disaster which is man made, caused by a lack of respect for Gaia(in modern terms) we might get a modern perspective on an inevitable doomsday scenario for our modern world as seen presumably by St. John in a trance ca. 2000 years ago.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'T')hat was a better example than your last one. But really with so many hundreds of pages the bible is the ultimate tarot deck. You can really find an interpretation for just about any social or cultural event. It can be fun to play with as long as you don't take it too seriously

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')k lets get really blatant. Here are the seven plagues from KJ Version of Revelations 16.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'O')h, So you are a Bible Scholar also ??? Know it cover to cover ? Cracks me up - Bible critics who have never even read the book. ANd even if you had read it, you are far from objective.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', '.')..What can a disbeliever do? Smile politely I guess.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')ts interpretation to justify death and destruction far outweighs it's interpretation to benefit humanity if you look at history.

[NEOPO]

More humor I see.......idiots

Clueless - so where was death before it "entered" into this world?

Oh let us remove them from the garden before they take of the tree of life and be as us and live forever....................

Hope that did not go over your little pecker head............

Great book !!! pffft!!!

Oh contrare'............ some of us have read reread and then read that "good" book some more!!!!

Imagine - I see most of you as inferior beings simply because you cannot refer to diety without giving it a name , a face, 2 eyes, 2 arms and 2 legs etc etc et al.

"He" "Him" "His" what a fucking joke.

The book and MEN even go on to rant about ITS place (heaven) as laiden with gold and pearls and jewels......you know.............. the things material beings hold precious.....................as if?

vroooooom - hope you got that one.............

You cannot accept a force/power/diety that has none of the traits that you see in yourself.
If it does not make sense to you then it does not make sense period.
You limit yourselves and in doing so attempt to debase and bring "down" this thing.

Sorry - it is still just as grand and beautiful as it ever was.
Try as you may you will always fail to categorize what "IT" is.

It is everything and nothing at once.
It is and it is not.

and you people pretty much disgust me
Time to build a temple to Hawkman er somethin

where is the theosophy room please?
Maybe there I can find someone capable of truly discussing religion OBJECTIVELY.

"What mankind knows can in no way compare to that which mankind knows not"

"dumbass" red forman

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'G')od did not create death - It "entered" into the world from Man's disobedience:

[clueless]

Sorry NEOPO, I cannot reply to disjointed rants.

I am merely stating a literal, and widley accepted orthodox view, of the interpretation of the Bible.

Go ahead don't believe it, no one ie forcing you to. Why don't you go write your own book and gather your own followers if you have so many profound ideas.

ROG -

Death is a result of disobedience, don't know what else to tell you, that is simply what it says.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'D')eath is a result of disobedience, don't know what else to tell you, that is simply what it says.

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')h let us remove them from the garden before they take of the tree of life and be as us and live forever....................

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')las, that is pure shite. I don't know what else to tell you.

[NEOPO]

to each his own shite!!!

Clueless - My blade has been tempered with the knowledge of Theosophy which means "the comparative study of all religion".
You as well as most of the other "believers" here and elsewhere are not prepared to debate jack shit about the subject.

You have seized upon the first piece of dogma that you were presented with and you now declare it as the "truth".

Read and learn or accept this inferior position. muahahahahah

There is no religion higher then truth.

This is all Rogers fault!!!

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou as well as most of the other "believers" here and elsewhere are not prepared to debate jack shit about the subject.