[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'Y')ou created this war. You even trained and funded Al Qaeda. Now reap what you sow, or DO SOMETHING for your government to stop helping the terrorists recruit followers.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('strider3700', 'H')ow do you jam an anti missle system? do our ships really require outside communications to know that there is a missle coming in and to target it? Or is this a case of confusing the system with some form of counter measures?

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'w')orth of readily available electronics. The only difference between a home-built model and an actual military grade one is power output. But even a several hundred megawatt jammer is easily within the capabilities of an organization as well funded as Hezbollah.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'T')his gets back to sanctuary. Without sanctuary, such a device is a huge self-illuminating practice target; especially in the restricted area Hezb had to opperate in. With sanctuary, it was entirely adequate to shut down the Israeli system.

I don't think we've seen even the full first act of this particular production; I doubt sanctuary will be included in Act 3.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'Y')ou don't need sanctuary to operate a jammer. Sure, it makes life easier, but a 50MW base jammer can run off of a car battery and fit in the trunk. Maybe 50 years ago, when electronics were run off of vaccuum tubes and punch cards sanctuary would have been necessary, but those days are long gone. These days, all you need is a 12v power source, a 12" satellite dish, an amplifier and a soldering iron.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'Y')ou don't need it to operate it. You need sanctuary to keep from getting blown up over the course of a multiweek engagement. Especially in a space as small as Lebanon.

[rwwff]

I don't disagree concerning the morality of the way the fight was executed.

I'm only refering to the ease with which such a target can be eliminated by use of AGM-88 HARMs or cluster munitions.

You don't need to see it or ID it to kill it. You just have to "hear" the thing whining. The HARM will do the rest.

That is, unless the target is in an area that has been granted sanctuary by the attacking force; and there were several such havens on the battlefield.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')'m only refering to the ease with which such a target can be eliminated by use of AGM-88 HARMs or cluster munitions.

You don't need to see it or ID it to kill it. You just have to "hear" the thing whining. The HARM will do the rest.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I')'m only refering to the ease with which such a target can be eliminated by use of AGM-88 HARMs or cluster munitions.

You don't need to see it or ID it to kill it. You just have to "hear" the thing whining. The HARM will do the rest.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'I') don't disagree with the tactic, I just think it would have a fairly short lifespan when the real push occurs. Not that they won't sink a few boats/ships in the process; that should be expected and is an acceptable loss, but it won't have any impact on the integrity of a Naval blockade of Lebanese ports; just as it didn't have any impact on the blockade this time around.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'P')robably true, but I get the distinct impression that the Israelis don't have the stomach for a protracted, high-casualty engagement.

[Lawmage]

Interesting discussion. For what its worth, the recent Israeli conflict with Hizballah was not what many in the media would have us believe. It was curious in that it did not run according to what many thought was the conventional wisdom but upon deeper examination it ran as one should have expected.

One would do well to understand some key things about the current Israeli leadership and its national security strategies. Olmert is a protege of Peres, a point that ought not to be overlooked. Peres presided over the 2000 withdrawal of IDF forces from southern Lebanon. Peres was unwilling to accept the trickle of IDF casualties from the the Hizballah insurgency for what were at best minor Israeli interests. Frankly, apart from preventing Hizballah attacks on Israel, Israel has no real interests in Lebanon. With that in mind, it is hardly surprising that Olmert would be disinclined to wage a counterinsurgency campaign in Lebanon. As such, he went with the Air Force's plan for an air campaign. Arguably, Israel never had any intention of repeating its occupation of Lebanon.

From the Israeli perspective, an air campaign with a limited ground incursion was the rational course to take. Of course, one can argue (as I have elsewhere) that the Israelis failed to properly consider the consequences fo leaving the Hizballah with intact military formations. I speak of psychological consequences not just for the IDF and the Israeli people but also for the broader Arab world. The IDF's aura of invincibility was sorely diminished by its failure to destroy Hizballah, which was never a realistic possibility in the first place.

I am not so sure about NordicHero's opening post though. With all due respect to Mr Sale, I have seen nothing to suggest that Hizballah was able to "hack into" Israeli operational communications or to spoof its electronic systems or the like. This is remarkable given my line of work. As for an Israeli "failure" to jam opposition communications systems, I would not read too much into that. Some systems are simply not readily jammed. While I don't claim to know the exact communications systems used at the Iranian embassy, I see no reason not to suspect they were land linked to external transmitters or burst capable or frequency hopping. The Iranians are hardly a bunch of incompetent fools...nor are their Lebanese students.

[qwerty]

"Hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah supporters are expected in Beirut for a rally to celebrate the group's "divine victory" over Israel. The rally on Friday, called for by the group's leader Hassan Nasrallah ..."

Hezbollah leader Sheikh Hassan Nasrallah has arrived at a victory rally in south Beirut in his first public appearance since July 12, when Israel's offensive in Lebanon began.

Nasrallah joined hundreds of thousands of Hezbollah supporters who filled the devastated southern suburbs of Beirut on Friday with a sea of yellow flags to celebrate "divine victory" in their month-long war against Israel.

"However much we lost in terms of martyrs and destruction of houses, we remain steadfast"

- Ali Shalghub,
Hezbollah supporter


"Let us renew our covenant and declare our joy at the divine victory to the whole world."

LINK

{thread moved from Current Energy News by Shannymara}

[budeone]

This is not over and never was. If he won.. boy I would hate to have seen it if he lost.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('budeone', 'T')his is not over and never was. If he won.. boy I would hate to have seen it if he lost.

[budeone]

I agree, but how many troops really were in there?

They were just getting ready to invade when they called off the war. If they would have had a chance to go in.. what would have happened. I think Israel would have lost MANY more then they thought when they had it on paper..

They should have been given the chance to go in and just take care of this mess.

All that happened is they had crumbs on the table and brushed them on the floor.