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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby nwildmand » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 14:42:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'i')ts funny how muslims equate lying with diplomacy.


Looks to me as if it's you who are equating diplomacy with lying. Not metaphorically, not philosophically, but literally.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'd')iplomacy = concealing ones beliefs = lying.


the first 2 came off the muslim website. i added the 3rd one
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Miki » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 14:43:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'O')f course, all are under compulsion and that is the excuse the article says excuses all these.


Hello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??

Please!
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby nwildmand » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 14:58:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'O')f course, all are under compulsion and that is the excuse the article says excuses all these.


Hello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??

Please!


most of islam believes that the west is at war with them. thats why they speak such little truth. knife to the neck is a very narrow example.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:02:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'm')ost of islam believes that the west is at war with them.


Yeah, I wonder what would lead them to that conclusion... :roll:
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby nwildmand » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:04:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'b')]Ibn Shihab said he did not hear that exemption wasgranted in anything what the people speak as lie but in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them).
The quote does not say that a man can lie to his wife, but that both can talk to each other tactfully in order to prevent or solve fights. That's one of the basic rules that are taught to couples in (Western) couples counseling.


you need to read that quote again miki. you did not understand it.
it say if your arguing with your wife it is ok to lie to her in order to bring reconciliation.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby nwildmand » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:06:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', 'm')ost of islam believes that the west is at war with them.


Yeah, I wonder what would lead them to that conclusion... :roll:


yes i could have worded that better but you get the point i was making.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Miki » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:16:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('nwildmand', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'O')f course, all are under compulsion and that is the excuse the article says excuses all these.


Hello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??

Please!


most of islam believes that the west is at war with them. thats why they speak such little truth. knife to the neck is a very narrow example.


1-Every time the word "compulsion" appears in that article it refers to that kind of cohersion (ie, when one's physical integrity is in danger)

2-I've searched that Moqavemat website exhaustively and I could not find that picture of the warship that the Herald claims Hisballah posted in that website.

Would anyone please find it for me? Otherwise, how can we confirm that Hisballah really posted that pic saying that it was the ship they destroyed.

I can't find a single pic of the ship in the news either. Did anyone see one?
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby erl » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'T')he Herald article did not provide a link for the picture. Do you know how to find the picture in the Mokavemat website? I can't find it.


Miki:

Try this link:click

Regarding the "compulsion" issue. I certainly do understand compulsion and how people will say almost anything under duress. I just don't see how it fits in with the posting of this picture of the warship.

To me, that's not compulsion. That's just spreading misinformation in order to gain an advantage.

Kind of like "diplomacy." :)
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Miki » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:33:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'T')he Herald article did not provide a link for the picture. Do you know how to find the picture in the Mokavemat website? I can't find it.


Miki:

Try this link:click


Thanks Erl. I don't read Arabic though. Do you?

The English version does not include any description of the pic.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby oil4u » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 16:19:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'O')f course, all are under compulsion and that is the excuse the article says excuses all these.


Hello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??

Please!


Huh????Who's putting the knife to the neck?

Lot's of lying going on with the Islamofascists, why? Because Mo says it's ok.

Like these guys are telling the truth...ya right!!

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar ... 4/1003/rss


They were arrested in Caro in Michigan's Thumb on Aug. 11 after police found about 1,000 cell phones and photos of the Mackinac Bridge inside their van.

Nabih Ayad, the Dearborn Heights lawyer representing the men, said the photos were tourist shots and the men are entrepreneurs who bought the phones to sell for a profit. They are victims of ethnic profiling, Ayad said.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby venky » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 16:40:57

The bigotry and prejeduce on this thread is frightful. And some seem actually proud of it. :x

Look, there is a lot of wrong to go around on this issue. I personally think Hizbollah is a radical Islamist or a terrorist organization which is responsible in part for the catastrophe unleashed Lebanon. And Israel is an immensly cruel country(mean the leadership) that does not have a clue how to respond besides bomb the f%&#k out of everything.

But there is nothing to prevent exchanging views, as divergent as they may be without this level of hostility and insulting Arabs, Muslims, Westerners, Israelis and Peak Oilers.
You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves. People who are aware enough to come to a forum like PO.com should know better.

Sheesh :evil:
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:35:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')ello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??


In all fairness, a lie extracted under duress is still a lie.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby rogerhb » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:41:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')ello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??


In all fairness, a lie extracted under duress is still a lie.


It's also called "American Justice" in Guantanamo and Abu Grahib.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Dreamtwister » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 17:56:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')ello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??


In all fairness, a lie extracted under duress is still a lie.


It's also called "American Justice" in Guantanamo and Abu Grahib.


I'm not rendering a verdict on the merits of either torture, or lying while being tortured. I'm just pointing out that a lie is still a lie, regardless of the circumstances under which it was uttered.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby rogerhb » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 18:09:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', 'I')'m not rendering a verdict on the merits of either torture, or lying while being tortured. I'm just pointing out that a lie is still a lie, regardless of the circumstances under which it was uttered.


I'm saying that a lie uttered under torture in certain establishments is hailed as the truth.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby erl » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 22:35:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')Thanks Erl. I don't read Arabic though. Do you?


Sorry, German, English, and Latin are my limits.

Maybe someday...
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:02:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dreamtwister', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'H')ello? If someone was putting a knife on your neck, you wouldn't lie??


In all fairness, a lie extracted under duress is still a lie.


I never denied that, and neither did the article. We were discussing if compulsion justified lieing. I was explaining that when you're under those conditions, most people would agree that it's justified to lie.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Miki » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 14:32:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', 'L')ook, there is a lot of wrong to go around on this issue. I personally think Hizbollah is a radical Islamist or a terrorist organization which is responsible in part for the catastrophe unleashed Lebanon. And Israel is an immensly cruel country(mean the leadership) that does not have a clue how to respond besides bomb the f%&#k out of everything.


A state that forbids Palestinian refugees to go back to the West Bank, that has stolen 75% of the West Bank in the last 30 years, that maintains Palestinians in an apartheid-like kind of society, that slaughters, kidnaps, and steals from Palestinian civilians in an on-going basis is not just an "extremely hostile" state. It is a terrorist state.

Hisballah is considered a resistance guerrilla by most of the world. They are extremely different from Al Qaeda et al, and they have even condemned the actions of both Al Qaeda and the Iraki insurgent groups. I think it's unfair for people to judge them without taking a critical look at their history.

They've been accused of atacks that they never participated in, such as the killing of the American sailors in 1982. Thus, you can't take those accusations as a basis to classify them as terrorists.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut there is nothing to prevent exchanging views, as divergent as they may be without this level of hostility and insulting Arabs, Muslims, Westerners, Israelis and Peak Oilers.
You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves.


I agree, but that is easier said than done. When you're being atacked and disrespected again and again and again and again, you get to a point in which you can't help but to respond in kind. I'm not made of stone, you know?

Also, there are many times in which I refer to Western/American society in order to show those that are prejudiced against Muslims that their societies have many of the same faults. It is not my intention to insult any culture or religion, and I'd never bring those things up if it was not because it's necessary to dispel the prejudiced views of some people here.

And even as I do that, I make it a point not to generalize by including words like "many", "some", etc., something that most of the prejudiced posters here never do.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby Gigashadow » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 20:51:48

Wow, in war do you mean people don't always post the truth?? Fancy that! Next you'll be telling me we didn't invade Iraq to spread democracy, or that terrorists don't actually hate us because of our freedoms.
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Re: More Hezbollah truth

Postby azreal60 » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 21:59:36

Erl I tried that link and didn't get butkipus. I'm not sure, but either it was too busy, or just wasn't a working link.

Incidently, me even checking that link out was a violation of my no check out rule. I guess sometimes the debator in me does want to see who's right.
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