[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tsakach', ' ') After researching the subject, I found a good example of a real-world scenario where Jevons Paradox has been recently encountered.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tsakach', ' ')I find it difficult as well to go through page after page in multiple threads to find information on Jevons Paradox.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Okay, I did it, and still the entire thread is referenced rather than zooming in to find a single page. So instead of getting my info second hand, I went and rounded up Jevons work, made it through about the 8th paragraph and discovered this....

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eplacing oil is easy

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'J')evons work leading to the Paradox and the implications within it have nothing to do with Jevons paradox?

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eplacing oil is easy

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'J')evons work leading to the Paradox and the implications within it have nothing to do with Jevons paradox?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ') Is there a reason people reach back to Jevons for the Paradox rather than dealing with its more modern equivalent?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ') My thinking on replacing oil has mostly to do with replacing a single, easily synthesized transport fuel.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ') My thinking on replacing oil has mostly to do with replacing a single, easily synthesized transport fuel.

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tuff which can be made with synthetic crude from tar sands. Or synthetic crude from coal. Or natural gas. Or methane hydrates. Or cooked out of oil shale insitu.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')tuff which can be made with synthetic crude from tar sands. Or synthetic crude from coal. Or natural gas. Or methane hydrates. Or cooked out of oil shale insitu.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')I'm back on page 17 or so, this angels on the head of a pin thing is pretty neat, but I still haven't found someone saying how big the total rebound effect is in transportation.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'I')ts all about transportation, not trinkets.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')I'm back on page 17 or so, this angels on the head of a pin thing is pretty neat, but I still haven't found someone saying how big the total rebound effect is in transportation.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'I')ts all about transportation, not trinkets.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'T')he part I don't get is your reference to "cost to access energy". Whats that got to do with total crude consumption to make the stuff, and move it to WalMart so people can buy it?

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Peak oil is about the cost to access energy.

Peak oil is about the end of cheap, readily available energy.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Peak oil is about the cost to access energy.

Peak oil is about the end of cheap, readily available energy.

[gg3]

Necessary ramification: And therefore, any PO-driven component of the great 21st Century Dieoff will be essentially economic in nature.

Keep in mind that in famines past, people did not die because there was not enough FOOD. They died because there was not enough MONEY to PAY FOR the food.

People will not die from lack of energy, they will die from lack of money with which to pay for the things that are produced with the energy.

What's interesting is, this is an entirely arbitrary crisis of our own making. Engineers can solve this in their sleep. The only technology we need that we don't yet have is a male contraceptive pill that causes the sperm count to drop to infertility level for six months on a single dose.

But instead, humans stay in crisis mode for no good reason. It is as if a bunch of people are playing a card game where the rule is, for every time you turn up a card of denomination X, you lose two pints of blood. There they sit at the card table, playing, and bleeding, and dying, and no one even thinks of the possibility of getting up and walking away or changing the rules or doing anything else differently. They're addicted to the game, like the drunken monkeys in the Buddhist parables about addiction to illusion (maya).