[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')ut only for a while. The decrease came at the industrial level. In fact, auto fuel use never decreased; it increased. Google the data. And as you see from the chart I posted, that didn't last long.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'B')ut only for a while. The decrease came at the industrial level. In fact, auto fuel use never decreased; it increased. Google the data. And as you see from the chart I posted, that didn't last long.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', ' ')If I initially put some fuel on sale, then it is before the peak in supply and consumption, so of course Jevon's Paradox applies. After peak it does not.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', 'E')h, there are other sources that can provide much more energy than the ones we use for transportation currently. But you may not agree... so until PO really sets in, and we see what happens, it's a tomatoe tomato deal.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

Whoops, I meant continental US crude. My mistake, correct as you see fit.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'N')one that can be scaled up in time.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')o, efficiency gains won't increase supply?

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I')'ll give you a hint: peak oil is about supply.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I')'ll give you a hint: peak oil is about supply.

[omgwtfbyobbq]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'A')nswer the question:

So, efficiency gains won't increase supply?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', ' ') Efficiency gains may, or may not, increase supply.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', 'Y')ou make baby Jeezus cry.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omgwtfbyobbq', ' ') Efficiency gains may, or may not, increase supply.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')It allows extra time to mitigate, assuming efficiency gains are bigger than consumption increases.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
No, it does not as has been explained ad naseum.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
No, it does not as has been explained ad naseum.

[ClubOfRomeII]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
Look for the words, "relative to what it would have been."

It isn't about a scenario. It's the relative effect.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Okay, I did it, and still the entire thread is referenced rather than zooming in to find a single page. So instead of getting my info second hand, I went and rounded up Jevons work, made it through about the 8th paragraph and discovered this....

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', ' ')Jevons paradox as I understand it involves a steady supply with increasing efficiencies leading to more consumption.

[tsakach]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ClubOfRomeII', 'M')onte, could you please point me to a particular page in this discussion? I read through the first 3 and didn't see anything on point at all about the scenario under which Jevons was operating

[Aaron]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')Coal in truth stands not beside but entirely above all other commodities. It is the material energy of the country—the universal aid—the factor in everything we do. With coal almost any feat is possible or easy; without it we are thrown back into the laborious poverty of early times."