[EndDays]

Maybe its time people start asking questions, because no matter who you are, these people are not on your side.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do so few question Freemasonry or the Illuminati?

[EndDays]

That would be the average person's perception. I have no doubt there are many in Masonry who are clueless what it is all about because they are in the lower degrees. The issue is that the higher degrees are very powerful people in high positions. They have alot of control, power and influence. Like I said, people should be asking questions.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

Did you know that the Fed which controls the USA's money supply is not a part or arm of the government but controlled by several very powerful families? (this is a recorded and public fact not some comspiracy theory) And Did you know that the Fed charges the government interest for its own bloody money? (which of course goes to these families)

Again another very public and well doccumented/accepted fact. There are more important things to worry about. If we can't get anyone to even question something like this... how do you think you will get people to care about a nebulous conspiracy type concept? The average person has been programmed and dumbed down to not care. Welcome to the 21st Century.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

And the swords with the white gloves (those are hot). My step-grandpa loved his sword so much he wants to burried with it.

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'M')aybe its time people start asking questions, because no matter who you are, these people are not on your side.

[PolestaR]

If the NWO/Freemasons are tied to the devil, then doesn't that mean you are validating christian beliefs by believing this thing exists? I mean, it's like two hurdles to get over there... that there is this "good" and its powerful, and there is this "bad" which is powerful (which will ultimately lose if enough "good" people stand up) if used by people who don't care about their soul or whatever...

Like really, if being in the NWO means I get more shit then sign me the fuck up. I'll slaughter a few cows and drink some blood, because I don't believe in "good" and/or Jesus. Next it will be like "you can't sign your soul away, because you won't have an image in a mirror". Why don't you start that thread.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Did you know that the Fed which controls the USA's money supply is not a part or arm of the government but controlled by several very powerful families? (this is a recorded and public fact not some comspiracy theory)

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EndDays', 'T')he issue is that the higher degrees are very powerful people in high positions. They have alot of control, power and influence.

[Cloud9]

Pike was a colorful character whose primary interest was self promotion. He used the vehicle of Freemasonry. Most Freemasons dismiss his outlandish ideas. I wish we were the all powerful all involved body some assert. If that were the case, I would conspire to win the lottery this weekend. It is true that we made considerable contributions to the democratic ideas that shaped the United States, but we do not run it or control it.

If your assertion is that I am not high enough in the order to know its true workings, relax. I am not called by fellow brothers worshipful for nothing. That title and a buck will get me a cup of coffee at the local bakery. The Masons are the least of your worries. D. Cloud Past Master Poinciana Lodge 227.

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') know. But does it really matter?

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') guess it doesn't if you don't mind paying all the taxes you do now.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('uNkNowN ElEmEnt', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy do so few question Freemasonry or the Illuminati?

[bobaloo]

Because some of us have known literally thousands of Freemasons, and they're doing good to organize a potluck, let alone run the world. If the real groups that run things happen to call themselves Masons they have nothing to do with your local lodge, of that I'm sure.

There's families out there with wealth in the hundreds of billions to low trillions you've never heard of, those are the ones I'd be worried about.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobaloo', 'B')ecause some of us have known literally thousands of Freemasons, and they're doing good to organize a potluck, let alone run the world.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', 'T')he Catholic Church has been on the warpath against the Freemasons for seemingly forever. In fact, involvement with Freemasonry is grounds for excommunication by the church.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I')t we are honest as Christians the entire world is under the influence of the evil one.

[ashurbanipal]

Everyone,Since no one knows who I really am, I thought I would butt in and offer my perspective on a few of the points in this thread. I happen to be a member of one of those societies that was driven underground but that nevertheless carried on the purpose of Adam Weishaupt. There are quite a few misunderstandings about what we do and why, some of which have cropped up in this thread.

Let me first bring up a pretty simple point. There are two entirely separate types of organization that evolved from the original Illuminati. The first were those who were interested in the social engineering aspects of the Illuminati. The second were those who were interested in the spiritual aspects-and there are several occult orders in existence today that can trace their lineage back to Adam Weishaupt in one way or another. I belong to a group in the second class, though of course the line isn't completely rigid. We're interested in some social engineering. But our purpose isn't to dominate all life (in the grand style of Sauron or Darth Vader). Our purpose is simply to ensure freedom.

It's pretty easy for someone who doesn't have an understanding of history, especially of the mid eighteenth century, to misunderstand what the Illuminati were up to. It is even easier to confuse the two types of groups that descended from them.

As someone pointed out, the eighteenth century was dominated by the enlightenment. It began to be obvious, as science advanced, that religion had had a strangle-hold on Europe in an entirely undue fashion. There was, therefore, a fairly large movement towards Atheism, or at least the trivialization of religion. There was also a smaller movement towards mysticism and occultism--the Illuminati were among those who stood in this latter camp; they were descended from the Rosicrucians (who actually existed). The goal of the Illuminati was originally to free mankind--to do this, they had to both rebel against the church and the various monarchies in Europe.

Now, where they got this ideal of Freedom is itself pretty interesting; it seems to me that they derived it from the earlier occult traditions on which they were built. Freedom is a pretty common theme in some of the genuine occult literature available from the time of the Crusades onward. It may seem perfectly clear and natural to us today that people should be free, but that was not clear at that time--this was actually a very heretical belief to hold.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('End Days', 'T')he Bible teaches us clearly that Lucifer (Satan) is simply a created angel who has fallen but deceives the whole world. He even masquardes as an angel of light to deceive many. The masons have bought his lie.