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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:12:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')ords have meanings. As a physician, you know this better than I do. And "never" has a very specific meaning.
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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby Jack » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:36:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'W')ords have meanings. As a physician, you know this better than I do. And "never" has a very specific meaning.
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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby rogerhb » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 00:47:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'J')esus. I just admited you were right. What do you want? Flowers? :P


How are you doing with the US involvement in WWI/WWII?
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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby Miki » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 05:22:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd Nasralleh the leader of Hizballah "the party of god"



That would be Nasrallah. Part of the word is "Allah", the Arabic word for "God". For someone so versed in the History of Islam, you tend to miss some very basic information. I wonder why...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'i')s kind of a Che Guevara type as well just looking out for the people. I know that Che and the marxists really didn't have a lot of respect for organized religion, but I'm just going to ignore that fact right now.


Your point being?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') figured it out finally! My apologies everyone especially miki and magus. When I started in to this thread I was pretty misguided and uninformed.


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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby Miki » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 05:35:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou believe that the origin of so-called human rights was post WWII? That's a surprising assertion. Some suggest that the Protestant Reformation, circa the 16th century, was in fact the necessary precursor to the very concept of human rights.


I said the *invention*, not the origin. It is only after WWII that those "rights" were universally enforced, when the UN was created with all its treaties.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '
')You and Seldom_Seen have a bad habit of taking us back in time to the time of the Inquisition. Let me remind you that while Islamic nations were expanding their territories through military means, the West was doing *exactly* the same in its Imperialist campaign to force everyone to convert to Christianism and be subdued or die with the sword.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '<')/div>Your point being?


If you had taken the time to read the previous posts related to this thread, you'd know what my point was. Seldom_Seen was trying to "prove" some of his conpiracy theories about how a leftist guerrilla (Hisballah) is actually Fascist.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ust I remind you that present militants refer openly to the "tragedy of Andalusia", again referring to events in the 16th century? The events of the past are the root of present events.


When you say "the present guerrillas", who are you referring exactly to? Are you lumping all Islamic movements into one sack?

If you actually knew *anything* about those guerrillas or about Islam or about the politics of the Middle East, you'd know that those guerrillas are *very* different from each other, and even fight each other.

But let's take your point seriously for a minute: I *dare you* to find a statement from a leader of each of those guerrillas relating the present events to the time of the Cruzades. If you find them, I'm leaving these forums.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ':')lol: What a delightful sense of humor you have! Thanks for the chuckle.

Thank you. But don't let me take all the credit. I owe my inspiration to the ignorance, racism, and bullshitting capacity of some of the folks here (I don't want to mention names, cause I don't want to miss anyone).
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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 12:23:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', 'H')ow are you doing with the US involvement in WWI/WWII?


WWI is no great mystery. The Kaiser vs. Wilson. Two big egotists jousting for king of the hill with lots of dead pawns. No big idealogical issues at play.

WWII, I don't think anything you said contradicted what I said. I agree the holocaust wasn't fully known till after the war. The invasions in every direction, the lebensraum politic, the racism, the ghettos were all known. I don't think the point is what public opinion was at that moment. The point, I think is that there's no way the US could have successfully spun joining the Axis, even though it might have been more consistent with their values. It's pretty obvious that a war of that magnitude is going to carry a bounty in terms of worldwide influence for whomever the victor is, so the US couldn't reasonably be expected to sit it out. So they took the only choice left to them, sided with the allies, and goaded the axis into attacking them. I think the point is well made that siding with England may have been a heavy influence. The England vs. Germany animosity, IMHO was mostly left over from WWI and related to who was going to be the big dog in terms of political and economic influence in Europe. It certainly wasn't an ideological conflict between England and the fascists. Churchill was quite complimentary of Mussolini.
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Re: UN Speaker accuses Hezbollah of civilian casualties

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 27 Jul 2006, 13:25:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '.')..Churchill was quite complimentary of Mussolini.

It really is hard to find a "leader" worthy of idolization:

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Hezbollah used civilians and mosques in attacks against IDF

Unread postby Specop_007 » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 19:18:04

Sad but true.
No wonder theres so many civilian casualties.

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Hizbullah Used Civilians, Mosques in Attack on IDF
10:19 Jul 27, '06 / 2 Av 5766
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Hizbullah refused to allow civilians to leave their village and used mosques in their ambush on IDF soldiers at Bint Jbeil Wednesday. Names of the nine fallen soldiers were released. Morale is high.


Hizbullah stored ammunition and weapons in mosques, knowing that the IDF does not attack religious sites. Civilians were not allowed to leave so that Hizbullah could use them as cover. IDF officers said they ordered pilots not to strafe Bint Jbeil in order to spare civilian casualties.

A United Nations peace keeping officer from Canada told the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. that Hizbullah used the same tactic to draw fire on the UNIFIL post which resulted in the death of four U.N. observers. "This is their favorite trick," he said. "They use the U.N. as shields."
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Re: Hezbollah used civilians and mosques in attacks against

Unread postby Magus » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:09:24

Forgive me if I fail to find this article from the Israel National News credible. Why is this not being reported internationally, especially in the United States? Until that happens, I'll regard this piece as propaganda.
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Re: Hezbollah used civilians and mosques in attacks against

Unread postby lateralus » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:14:18

I was born in the middle east and sent to Canada when I was small.

My father was in Hizbollah, and my mother was in the IDF. They met on a cruise ship off the coast of southern France when times were more peaceful. A forbidden love in a tragic world.

Now, many years later, I am pained when I make phone calls home.

"Your father is wearing his vest and lying in front of my tank again...did you know that?"

"No mother"

"Well its true...and why just the other day he called me a dirty Israeli whore. I can't believe I used to love him. *sob, sob*"

"She lies that dirty women...don't believe her....and she won't put on a veil...ahhhhhh"

What's a poor boy to do? [smilie=car6.gif]
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Re: Hezbollah used civilians and mosques in attacks against

Unread postby Miki » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:16:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')izbullah refused to allow civilians to leave their village and used mosques in their ambush on IDF soldiers at Bint Jbeil Wednesday. Names of the nine fallen soldiers were released. Morale is high.


Morale is high? What kind of neutral news report mentions that the Israeli soldiers' morale is high?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')izbullah stored ammunition and weapons in mosques, knowing that the IDF does not attack religious sites.


Incorrect. Israelis have hit several mosques and one Christian Orthodox church, and counting.
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Re: Hezbollah used civilians and mosques in attacks against

Unread postby duke3522 » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:20:46

Earlier I saw this same story reported on Fox News. Now we know it’s true. :lol::lol::lol:
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Re: Hezbollah used civilians and mosques in attacks against

Unread postby Magus » Fri 28 Jul 2006, 20:41:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('duke3522', 'E')arlier I saw this same story reported on Fox News. Now we know it’s true. :lol::lol::lol:


Yeah, somehow I forgot about them. Scatch the part of the post that said the story being reported in the United States would make it more relevent.

I can imagine O' Reily speaking about it now...
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The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby Free » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 21:44:12

As usual a highly entertaining and insightful read:

War Nerd Column

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')July in Fresno, and yet I'm happy. In a mean way, the only way I know. For once I don't care how hot and miserable it is, because I've got something waiting for me at home: AC and CNN. God, I love watching CNN right now. Watching that needlenose whiner Anderson Cooper, trying not to state the obvious: Hezbollah is not only winning every round of this fight, but it was bound to win from the start. Get Jane Fonda out in the streets again, spray some pain relief on her saggy old throat, stuff a bullhorn in her liver-spotted hand and have her sing out: "Who needs Ho Chi Minh/Hezbollah is gonna win!"

The rest of you idiots actually seem to take Cooper seriously when he talks about how the IDF is going to "expel Hezbollah from Southern Lebanon." Christ, Hezbollah IS Southern Lebanon. You might as well try to expel ants.

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Add in a couple of real important facts nobody ever mentions on CNN -- birthrate and morale. The Shia, who cluster in the slums of S and E Beirut and in the rural south of Lebanon, have the highest birthrate in Lebanon and have always been the poorest, most death-hungry people around. That's the stuff you make great soldiers from.

And Hezbollah has great soldiers. That's one reason I can't help liking them. They're some of the most underrated soldiers on earth facing what I consider the most overrated military force on earth, the IDF. The Israelis have been coasting on their reputation for a long time, but way back in Gulf War I it was clear they made their record like a Don King fighter, padding their Win column against a bunch of bums. When I saw those pitiful Arab "soldiers" crawling toward US camera crews on their hands and knees to surrender, the first thing that went through my head was, "Whoa, so that's the kind of opponent the Israelis have been showboating against? Well Hell, my high school marching band could've beaten those Arab chickenshits!"

I'm not alone in that conclusion either. One of the top US commanders in GW I called the IDF "a bunch of arrogant pricks who wouldn't last ten minutes on a European battlefield." Well, that bit about a "European battlefield" is another sad case of our NATO obsession, but the point is, the IDF doesn't deserve its rep. It did once, back in 1948 and during Suez, when it was manned by double-tough survivors of the European Jews who were determined to show up the book-nerd stereotype by kicking ass from Haifa to Damascus. Those dudes were truly tough.

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Re: The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby lateralus » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 22:07:05

Quite a unique and funny style of writing, entertaining as all hell. My favorite part:

It's easy to look tough rolling through refugee camps in the world's most heavily armored tank.


That was the best written article I have read yet from any souce, priceless. Thanks for the link. I'm gonna read this war nerd guy more often now.
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Re: The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby Free » Thu 03 Aug 2006, 23:13:47

Yes definitely do so, his collected works are really a must read:

http://www.exile.ru/archive/by_author/gary_brecher.html

There are too many gems in there to pick my favourites now, but I promise you will learn a lot while being entertained in a horrible and great sort of way at the same time...

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Re: The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby nemo » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 05:10:25

Gotta love War Nerd. He's a straight talkin' sumbitch. Usually his analysis rings brutally true compared to the usual MSM echochamber punditry.
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Re: The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby Eli » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 11:53:40

I am not as impressed by his writing style as some of you are but I do think much of his analysis is spot on.

I feel very sad for the people of Israel long term they are going to loose this war with Islam. The Arab's have all the numbers on there side and they are much more willing to suffer pain and losses in order to ultimately win.

Israel will likely get a rest from this current mess but the IDF's performance has only embolden Hezbollah. And the next time the fighting breaks out it maybe curtains for the nation we know as Israel.
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Re: The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby Miki » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 12:09:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'I') am not as impressed by his writing style as some of you are but I do think much of his analysis is spot on.

I feel very sad for the people of Israel long term they are going to loose this war with Islam. The Arab's have all the numbers on there side and they are much more willing to suffer pain and losses in order to ultimately win.

Israel will likely get a rest from this current mess but the IDF's performance has only embolden Hezbollah. And the next time the fighting breaks out it maybe curtains for the nation we know as Israel.


I agree. Just for the sake of clarification though, Lebanese and Iranians are not Arabs. Iranians are Persian and 80% of Lebanese are decendants of the Canaanites (Phoenicians). When the Arabs conquered Lebanon, they did not exterminate the population, so many Canaanites converted to Islam, but genetically most of the population remained Canaanite. We certainly have a lot of Arabic influence in our culture, but we also have Christian, Mediterranean (mainly Greek and French), Phoenician, Aramaic, etc influences.
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Re: The War Nerd: "A Hezbollah Upon All of Thee!"

Unread postby mekrob » Fri 04 Aug 2006, 12:13:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Arab's have all the numbers on there side and they are much more willing to suffer pain and losses in order to ultimately win.


This could not be more evident than in the Battle of Bint Jbal. During that battle for the city initially, there were a total of 8 IDF deaths. What was their reaction? Full withdrawal so we can bombard and bomb them for a week. Yeah, that's a world-class army.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd the next time the fighting breaks out it maybe curtains for the nation we know as Israel.


I don't think so. As long as Israel has nuclear weapons and subs for a 'last laugh attack', they will keep on trucking for a while. The only way to eliminate them is to make their common military obsolete which shouldn't be too hard. Then back them in a corner politically and economically which should be a breeze once you've decimated their army post-peak and they lose most of their aid from the US. Then you can simply flood their nation with Arabs and Muslims, slowing 'eradicating' Jewry and 'Isra'el' over generations.
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