[TWilliam]

Don't confuse$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..a fancy degree,

[Free]

http://bushaddicted.cf.huffingtonpost.com/

[smallpoxgirl]

Briliant! I think that group of Condie's may be the scariest thing I've ever personally witnessed.

[TheTurtle]

Funny stuff.

But I doubt that it is possible to separate oil from government.

IMO the quest for oil IS government. These days, the two are essentially synonymous.

[KeeperC]

Today's Daily Telegraph contains an article on Peak Oil in the business pages called Business Oil 'addicts' face painful withdrawal symptoms.

[FireJack]

With record temps today here in ontario there calling for conservation, of course you know people will do fuck all to conserve.
35 degrees celsius and a power outage would leave our food to rot pretty quick. The grid hasnt failed becasue of a power load yet but this is going to be a good test.

[Leanan]

Record high temps are expected in the northeast today. My office has enacted the "Emergency Peak Demand Curtailment Plan." Which means lights are off, thermostat's up. Employees are asked to turn off coffeemakers, computers, printers, etc., when not in use. And to take the stairs rather than the elevators if possible.

The rule they suggest for elevators is take the stairs if it's "two flights down or one flight up." Boggles my mind, that people can't walk more than one flight up or two flights down.

[NEOPO]

heheh yeah thats "good stuff".
Suggest that they install a "firemans pole" so people can slide down

Last year during the "katrina crisis" I posted a note about how at least one american mega corporation was doing just the opposite.

The PTB (Bush UNDER Cheney and the neocons) called for "national conservation" to help ease the "suffering" while a mega huge corporation that I am intimately aware of.........called for everyone to gas up their vehicles at the end of every shift (hoarding) fearing shortages the following day.

Added to this was the fact that this mega huge "on wheels" corporation, now being directly hit by the wind and rain of Katrina's residuals was "forcing" its employees to 2-4+ hours per day of overtime.

Denial makes withdrawal harder.

Makes me wonder if all the miles this corporation drives is part of the US gasoline demand or somehow integrated craftily into some sort of "misc." cost accounting or otherwise NOT counted.......

Got to learn to live without that refrigerator maybe?
We will use an (google: ICEHOUSE) because....... "as it was then again it will be"

[KhanCEO]

[quote="Leanan"]Record high temps are expected in the northeast today. My office has enacted the "Emergency Peak Demand Curtailment Plan." Which means lights are off, thermostat's up. Employees are asked to turn off coffeemakers, computers, printers, etc., when not in use. And to take the stairs rather than the elevators if possible.quote]

Read this and tell me, I'm crazy. The real reasons for the power outs.

http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column269.html

[Fergus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Leanan', 'R')ecord high temps are expected in the northeast today. My office has enacted the "Emergency Peak Demand Curtailment Plan." Which means lights are off, thermostat's up. Employees are asked to turn off coffeemakers, computers, printers, etc., when not in use. And to take the stairs rather than the elevators if possible.quote]

Read this and tell me, I'm crazy. The real reasons for the power outs.

http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column269.html

[grabby]

No way.
there is no need for a dictator.
the dems and repubs are the right arm and the left arm of the same system, they dong care which one gets elected as long as its not another Ross Perot.

[JustinFrankl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KhanCEO', 'R')ead this and tell me, I'm crazy. The real reasons for the power outs.

http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column269.html

[FairMaiden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Read this and tell me, I'm crazy. The real reasons for the power outs.

http://www.almartinraw.com/public/column269.html

[sert]

if we are addicted this bad, and we love all the benifits oil brings us, can u in your honest opinion please tell me, is the world ready to stop being so hungry for oil.

or is our consumerist way of life so important that we really can't see life without oil?

because i have been reading other threads posted in this site, and they are all very interesting and informative. i find there is a lot of people that are optimistic and other realistic, some would say, all this peak oil is nonsense, but then fail to bring the facts, so i really can't believe something without any evidence sorry. however there are the others who say oil is everything and we will suffer a lot without it.

personally im just left very confused on this whole thing, because what is the point of continuing on with life and the rat race if its all going to end and ur going to bank account will mean nothing when an economic and social fall happens. and with this me me me culture i think things could get very bad. but i want to have hope, but the hopes are unfounded from what i have read.

[Fergus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sert', 'i')f we are addicted this bad, and we love all the benifits oil brings us, can u in your honest opinion please tell me, is the world ready to stop being so hungry for oil.

or is our consumerist way of life so important that we really can't see life without oil?

because i have been reading other threads posted in this site, and they are all very interesting and informative. i find there is a lot of people that are optimistic and other realistic, some would say, all this peak oil is nonsense, but then fail to bring the facts, so i really can't believe something without any evidence sorry. however there are the others who say oil is everything and we will suffer a lot without it.

personally im just left very confused on this whole thing, because what is the point of continuing on with life and the rat race if its all going to end and ur going to bank account will mean nothing when an economic and social fall happens. and with this me me me culture i think things could get very bad. but i want to have hope, but the hopes are unfounded from what i have read.

[rwwff]

Before you can get anywhere near this question, you have to ask yourself:

1.) what is the purpose of your individual life?
2.) what is the purpose of the continuation of the human species?

It would be very sad if you answered either of those questions in a way that makes them dependent upon cheap and easy access to energy. Humans were around tens of thousands of years before anyone burned any petroleum in an engine. Humans will likely be around for a very long time after the last drop of petroleum is burned; ie, this is a very fleeting moment in time.

[RonMN]

Hope is not unfounded...it's all a matter of acceptance rather than fighting against the current.

Put it this way...It's kinda dumb to use the oven while the air-conditioning is running. One is cooling the house while the other is heating the house. I've pointed this out to my siblings & asked them..."would you consider writing a rule that states I WILL NEVER EVER TURN THE OVEN ON WHILE THE AC IS RUNNING"?

They all answered "NO".

OK...they're going to die...nuttin' I can do about it, but that doesn't mean I have to die along with them. Yes it's sad...but that is their choice and i can't make their choices for them.

I'll accept that & move on with my life & my prep's.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '.')"would you consider writing a rule that states I WILL NEVER EVER TURN THE OVEN ON WHILE THE AC IS RUNNING"?
They all answered "NO".

[NEOPO]

Nope its just you Rwwff

How about moving the entire kitchen into the garage or having a summer kitchen with a grill and an awning/roof etc etc?

I think we have overshot the mark and a reduction in population seems inevitable.

Looks like evolution to me.

[rwwff]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'N')ope its just you Rwwff
How about moving the entire kitchen into the garage or having a summer kitchen with a grill and an awning/roof etc etc?