[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', 'E')very French can tell you that the immigrant neighborhoods had extremely high rates of unemployment (more than 50%), as well as a quality of life that was well below the quality of life of the average French. So one day they got *fed up* of being discriminated and segregated into dirty suburbs, and they demonstrated their accumulated anger against the government and the "mainstream" French society.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') woman was getting off a bus on crutches and they doused her with gasoline and set her on fire. That's how you protest "discrimination" and "segregation?"

[Atlantean_Relic]

If I'm not mistaken Islam started 300 years after Rome fell. Muhammed siezed power in a vacuum like any half decent warlord would. His genius was to make a rule book to go along with his conquering. And let me know when nuke became small arms.

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') woman was getting off a bus on crutches and they doused her with gasoline and set her on fire. That's how you protest "discrimination" and "segregation?"

I pondered earlier in this thread whether you were ignornant or just disingenuous. Now I know it's the latter.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'I')f I'm not mistaken Islam started 300 years after Rome fell. Muhammed siezed power in a vacuum like any half decent warlord would. His genius was to make a rule book to go along with his conquering.

[Atlantean_Relic]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'I')f I'm not mistaken Islam started 300 years after Rome fell. Muhammed siezed power in a vacuum like any half decent warlord would. His genius was to make a rule book to go along with his conquering.

[Magus]

Anger grows as Lebanese seek refuge

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By Nicholas Blanford, Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor Wed Jul 26, 4:00 AM ET

TIBNINE, LEBANON - Wearing only slippers on his feet, it took Yussef Beydoun two-and-a-half terrifying hours to walk from his shell-battered village of Kounine to the relative safety of Tibnine.

Here the 78-year-old is one of some 1,600 refugees crammed into Tibnine's government-run hospital, all of them having fled from a cluster of Shiite hill villages to the south. With drinking water running out, no milk, no electricity, and declining stocks of food, as well as little prospect of imminent escape from Tibnine, the refugees are caught in a vortex of confusion, anger, and despair.

"All the time there's bombing, all the houses have been hit. I thought my heart would stop," says Mr. Beydoun, a slim stooped man with a white floppy hat shading his face from the intense midday sun. He says he left Kounine after his house was flattened by Israeli bombing, killing his Sri Lankan and Ethiopian maids.

"They are still buried under the rubble," he says.

[Miki]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'q')uote="Atlantean_Relic"]If I'm not mistaken Islam started 300 years after Rome fell.

[Zardoz]

Nice thread you started here, Spec.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 'I') thought Jesus was an anti-establishment hippie?

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', 'I')solated (and unattributed) Incident + Personal Attack

[Magus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Magus', 'I')solated (and unattributed) Incident + Personal Attack

[Atlantean_Relic]

There is nothing but sides on this subject. You want an answer for this violence. ALL HUMANS ARE EVIL,selfish, greedy, hateful, bastards. And we all choose the side that seems to benefits us. So currently this means that Lebanese civilians are fucked. Israel definitly doesn't care, the US doesn't care, and Iran and Syria don't care. Lebanese are PR cannon fodder. Miki your nation is a pawn and there is no hero on a white horse that'll save it.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Atlantean_Relic', 't')here is no hero on a white horse that'll save it.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') believe this statement diverges from the historical record.

[azreal60]

Guys, are you really trying to make more work for the moderation staff?

Calmly and rationally. That's the key to any good debate. I know the topic is frustrating and in at least one of our cases personally very very close to home if not in your home. But that does not mean you can start swearing and generally tearing into each other personally. Bring all the evidence you want, leave the personal stuff off your keyboards.

Now, as to what's actually being said. I don't think we can overlook how correct it is that there are fanatics of all religions. Yes the actions of hezbollah are that of terrorists. But so where the actions of the freedom fighters who founded this country. There are ALWAYS those who use those circumstances to enjoy the violence they enjoy. This shouldn't be a suprise. The problem is, right now that violence is becoming the policy of nations. When that happens, its more than just an isolated incident.

My brother has visited israel several times now. Each time, he became more and more convinced who had the more convincing arguement. I'm not going to share who here, as it would only inflame things further.

Rather, I'm going to ask, does anyone assume that killing civilians in Lebanon is justifiable based on the actions of a terrorist organizion within that nation?

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'R')ather, I'm going to ask, does anyone assume that killing civilians in Lebanon is justifiable based on the actions of a terrorist organizion within that nation?

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Miki', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '
')Fact: No Islamic country has ever invaded or made any serious move toward invading the US or Europe

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ather, I'm going to ask, does anyone assume that killing civilians in Lebanon is justifiable based on the actions of a terrorist organizion within that nation?

[greenworm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hen I started in to this thread I was pretty misguided and uninformed.