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Re: Need help. Moral Issue, Burning DVD's.

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') The friend spread the word about End of Suburbia among fellow Democrats in the club.


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LOL Specop, what would we do without you? :lol:


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I'm just afraid if wind of this gets out in the Democratic Party, we'll see a big push to ban gas powered vehicles.
Or, more along the lines of them, they'll probably try to ban roads.
You know, for the children.
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Religion: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 17:18:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '.')... where Catholic or Christian super majorities ...


Do you not mean Catholic or other Christian sects or denominations, last time I heard the Pope, he thought he was still a Chistian.

Why is the 'moral majority' supporting war crimes? Surely that makes them the 'amoral or immoral majority'...

What do the moral majority understand by the following phrases:

1. Thou shalt not kill

2. He without sin cast the first stone

3. Turn the other cheek
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby EndDays » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 20:46:15

Just because someone says they are a Christian, it doesn't mean they are.

Jesus said there will be wolves in sheeps clothing, and the way to identify a true follower of Christ is by their fruit.

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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby TITAN » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 22:05:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '.')... where Catholic or Christian super majorities ...


Do you not mean Catholic or other Christian sects or denominations, last time I heard the Pope, he thought he was still a Chistian.



I know MANY Catholics that almost act offended when you call them a Christian. I tell them "his name was Jesus Christ, not Jesus Catholic".

I'm sure they act this way because they don't want to fall into the same category as Protestants, or even worse, Mor(m)ons...

I simply think Catholics are the lesser evil of these three religious groups (I'm glad my wife and mother-in-law don't read this website :))
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Mon 17 Jul 2006, 22:12:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'I')'m sure they act this way because they don't want to fall into the same category as Protestants, or even worse, Mor(m)ons...

I simply think Catholics are the lesser evil of these three religious groups


I presume protestant is not considered the same as "Church of England"?
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 04:59:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') should have asked that only American citizens take the survey.


I'm not taking part in the survey but I am still curious.

Does the US use the term "Anglican" instead of "Church of England" and does it consider it protestent?

Technically (there's that word again) C-of-E is catholic (with a small C) and without the pope as the head, that's the Queen.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'N')ew Zealand is nowhere near as right wing as the US is it?


Hopefully not! :)

The Catholics did get their noses out of joint by an art exhibit which had a statue of Mary sheathed in a condom, which was a protest at the Catholic Church's treatement of women.

Representatives of the church put an advert in the paper condeming the exhibit and for good measure include the ten commandments, except they didn't, they split one into two commandments and dropped the one on iconography!
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby Doly » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 06:04:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '
')Technically (there's that word again) C-of-E is catholic (with a small C) and without the pope as the head, that's the Queen.


I can be totally confused, because I come from a country where Christianism only comes in one variety, and I have serious trouble distinguishing the subtle differences. But I vaguely remember that somebody told me there is the Anglican Church, and the High Church of England. The first is protestant (if anything), the second is catholic.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 06:13:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', 'B')ut I vaguely remember that somebody told me there is the Anglican Church, and the High Church of England. The first is protestant (if anything), the second is catholic.


The Church of England has the Archbishop of Cantebury as the head primate, and the Queen at the actual head. I thought Anglican mean C of E.

It's break with catholicism only replaced the pope with the monarch of England (Henry VIII), not from a fundamental religious disagreement.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby TITAN » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 10:54:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'I')'m sure they act this way because they don't want to fall into the same category as Protestants, or even worse, Mor(m)ons...

I simply think Catholics are the lesser evil of these three religious groups


I presume protestant is not considered the same as "Church of England"?


Umm, not quite sure. I usually use the term protestant to lump together all the non-catholic christians, i.e. baptist, methodist, church of god, nazarene, presbyterian(sp) and the tens of others...
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 17:18:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TITAN', 'U')mm, not quite sure. I usually use the term protestant to lump together all the non-catholic christians, i.e. baptist, methodist, church of god, nazarene, presbyterian(sp) and the tens of others...


Northern Island does similar, basically Catholics (left-footers) and everyone else.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby Venerye » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 18:34:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's break with catholicism only replaced the pope with the monarch of England (Henry VIII), not from a fundamental religious disagreement.


To be clear, here's a link to a webpage which explains why the Catholic Church sees more of a rift between itself and the Anglican Church than simply the rejection of the authority of the Holy See. It defines the Anglican Church as a protestant movement, linked closely with the Reformation.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he great principles and tenets set forth in the works of Luther, Melanchthon, and Calvin, or Zwingli, are reproduced with or without modifications, but substantially, and often almost verbatim in the literature of the English Reformation. The chief doctrines which are essentially and specifically characteristic of the Protestant Reformation as a whole are the following nine:
-rejection of the Papacy,
-denial of the Church Infallibility;
-Justification by Faith only;
-supremacy and sufficiency of Scripture as Rule of Faith;
-the triple Eucharistic tenet [viz. (a) that the Eucharist is a Communion or Sacrament, and not a Mass or Sacrifice, save in the sense of praise or commemoration; (b) the denial of Transubstantiation and worship of the Host; (c) the denial of the sacrificial office of the priesthood and the propitiatory character of the Mass];
-the non-necessity of auricular Confession;
-the rejection of the invocation of the Blessed Virgin and the Saints;
-the rejection of Purgatory and omission of prayers for the dead;
-the rejection of the doctrine of Indulgences.
To these may be added three disciplinary characteristics which are founded on doctrine:
-the giving of Communion in both kinds;
-the substitution of tables for altars; and
-the abolition of monastic vows and the celibacy of the clergy.
These twelve doctrines and practices of the continental Reformation have undoubtedly, though not always in the same measure, entered into the fibre of the English Reformation, and have all found expression, more or less emphatic, in the Anglican formularies. Hence, while the name "Protestant" is not found in the Prayer Book, it is used in the Coronation Service when the King promises to maintain "the Protestant religion as by law established". It was from the beginning popularly applied to the Anglican beliefs and services. In the Act of Union the Churches of England and Ireland are styled "the Protestant Episcopal Church", a name still retained by the Anglican Church in America.


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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby Tanada » Tue 18 Jul 2006, 18:38:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'I') am beginning my studies of how the predominant Christian paradigm in our society affects the lives of those who choose not to make the Bible there textbook for life. Particularly I am wanting to learn about areas where Catholic and other Christian denominations constitute super majorities (>66% taken over all denominations)

Please take my survey. Only the first fifty responses will be tallied please take it seriously. I may pursue these issues further with the NAACP and other organizations that fight for equal opportunity in America.

http://FreeOnlineSurveys.com/rendersurv ... s73s208226

Also any comments you would care to make in this thread on the survey or the topic are much appreciated.

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I took your survey EJ, but the subtext of the questions makes it appear very biased in favor of the notion that there are many communities in the USA where fiath based hiring practices take place. I have freiends and family scattered across many states and have not heard of many such instances, though I don't doubt that in such a large diverse country there probably are some places where these things happen. The simple fact is however, most people who grow up in such a community would be free to leave and start over somewhere else if they don't like the 'mores' of their community. I wish my community had a few more of those Mores but I get along fine where I am and know I have the freedom to pull up stakes and start over if this place gets too moralistic or too libertine for my taste.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby erl » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 03:11:15

EJ:

I took your survey. The only comment I would offer is that some of the questions would be answered differently if you specified what type of organization was making the hiring decisions.

Faith based descisions may be out of line in a government office or a run of the mill private company, but would not be wrong if made in the course of hiring within a church.

I see nothing wrong with a church saying we will hire based upon our beliefs and the potential employees embrace of those beliefs.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby Kristen » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 05:55:54

This is kind've off topic but shouldn't religion be declining because of accelerating technology and science. I think the moral majority of america is causing more harm than good. So many times I've gone to class or a mall and theirs a christian follower shoving the bible in my face telling me i have to follow this belief or I'm going to face eternal torture and pain. The funny thing is that people like that get off on "punishment of sinners" and as their hate grows, the rest of us "non-believers" are condemmed as evil. I was raised to believe in the four elements. They are four gods that are a necessity for life. I eventually studied buddhism and other polytheistic religions. I personally am open minded. I don't know the answer bc i haven't died yet. I don't tell christians what to believe, nor condemm them for hating my existence. Why is it so hard for the moral majority to relax and give me the same respect?
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby Doly » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 06:33:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'W')hy is it so hard for the moral majority to relax and give me the same respect?


Because if they did, they wouldn't get any attention.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 06:41:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Kristen', 'W')hy is it so hard for the moral majority to relax and give me the same respect?


Because if they did, they wouldn't get any attention.


If they gave you respect, who would they feel morally superior to?
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby erl » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 19:42:50

EJ:

I know that you have a long history with the church and lot's of those were bad experiences. But, what it seems to me that you are doing is over generalizing your experiences to the whole church and not just those people whom you've dealt with.

I don't know all the details of your history, nor am I asking you to disclose them here. But, the kinds of activities you accuse Christians of, everyone else is guilty of as well. We all discriminate against those who are not like us or don't think like us.

That kind of activity is pandemic. The religions right does it as well as the religious left. The political right and the political left are guilty also.

It's human nature.

Why are you addressing only the actions of the Christians?

The second point I would make is that you are addressing those who call themselves Christians. As you are well aware, calling yourself a Christian doesn't make you one. There's more to it than that.

Anyway, I do enjoy your posts, even though I don't respond as often as I used to.

Take care and good luck with your research.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby erl » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 20:21:26

Kristen, Doly, and Roger:

Christianity is not about hate. Someone who goes out and tries to hand you a bible tract or other literature isn't doing so because he or she hates you.

Kristen: I don't know where you got that idea from. But, if you think about it, you would see the logical fallacy there. Someone who is trying to bring you into the fold isn't doing it because of hate. They are doing it out of concern. Perhaps, they are doing it simply because they have been commanded to do so by Christ himself. But, hate doesn't play a role in this equation.

Bringing the message of the cross to the world is, after all, the great commission.

Doly: Attention? To some degree, we all crave attention. Don't we? But, attention is it's own reward. A christian who performs for attention gains nothing else. Jesus says,

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full."

Matthew 6:5


Jesus does not criticize the act of praying, but he condemns the attention seeking.

Publicity seeking Christians are not following the word of God. Don't condemn all Christians because of those you see promoting themselves on television. Don't judge Christianity because of the actions of its followers.

You can only really judge Christianity by evaluating Jesus himself. That's the evidence you must use for your decision. People will always pollute the the pure. Christians are no exception.

Roger: Moral Superiority? Are there christians who declare themselves morally superior to the rest of humanity? Sure, and Jesus calls them hypocrites! Christians (true Christians and not just in name only) become very accutely aware of their own sins, failures, and shortcomings.

Allow me to quote a very short passage here to illustrate my point:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everybody else, Jesus told this parable: 10"Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood up and prayed about[a] himself: 'God, I thank you that I am not like other men—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.'

13"But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, 'God, have mercy on me, a sinner.'

14"I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Luke 18:9


Moral superiority (also known as self-righteousness in the days of Jesus) is not a hallmark of Christianity. Unfortunately, it may be the hallmark of some "Christians."

But, if you see someone self-identifying as a Christian and then stutting his stuff, feel free to question his or her integrity. I won't stand in your way.
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Re: Impact of Moral Majority in America

Unread postby rogerhb » Wed 19 Jul 2006, 20:50:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('erl', 'R')oger: Moral Superiority? Are there christians who declare themselves morally superior to the rest of humanity?


Damned right, that is a fundamental point of organised religion, your particular brand is the only true way and everybody else is misguided, deluded or on the highway to hell.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ure, and Jesus calls them hypocrites! Christians (true Christians and not just in name only) become very accutely aware of their own sins, failures, and shortcomings.


The "Moral Majority" is a branding label only, it means diddly squat in terms of are these people are truly pious, holy or not hypocritical.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')llow me to quote a very short passage here to illustrate my point:


Nice quote, shame that for each and every quote from the Bible there is an equal and opposite quote from the Bible.
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