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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&am

Postby emersonbiggins » Mon 19 Jun 2006, 17:46:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'W')hat's IIRC? I never figured that out...


"If I remember/recall correctly..."

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I don't even know half of these... :(


newb


LOL WTF ever. AYBABTU.

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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&am

Postby Chicken_Little » Mon 19 Jun 2006, 17:47:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('0mar', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', 'W')hat's IIRC? I never figured that out...


"If I remember/recall correctly..."

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I don't even know half of these... :(


newb


i think you mean 'n00b'.

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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby mekrob » Mon 19 Jun 2006, 17:55:25

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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby TITAN » Mon 19 Jun 2006, 18:45:04

[quote="Zardoz"]How low can Ford go? Low enough to cynically and deliberately design their primary advertising approach and product line around the denial of reality.

In a stunning display of callous corporate disregard for the future while thinking only of the next quarter's financial report, Ford is encouraging us to forget the ever-worsening gasoline situation, pretend it's 1965, and make tire smoke instead:



"Featuring a 475-horsepower supercharged 5.4-liter 32-valve V-8 with a 6-speed manual transmission, race-tuned suspension and four-piston Brembo brakes, the new GT500 packs a heavy dose of pure American muscle to back up its aggressive looks. Its unique front-end design, bulging hood with heat extractors, rear spoiler, and unmistakable Le Mans racing stripes tells the world this is not your typical Mustang."

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I was actually on the waiting list for one of the new GT500s but I finally realized that it would most likely sit next to my '67 mustang, collecting dust...

Very depressing...

Now I am with polestar: bring on the decline, hard fast and quick, that's what would be best for this country...
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&am

Postby hippiegunlover » Mon 19 Jun 2006, 19:36:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cynus', 'Y')ou can't be the tough, hot-blooded, meat and potatoes car company and have a car called the "Shelby."


Carroll Shelby, an all American meat and potatoes kind of guy. The name does remind one of "A boy named Sue" though.
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby strider3700 » Mon 19 Jun 2006, 22:00:46

last night I saw that Jeep was showing off the amazing 18 MPG you get from a jeep liberty. All they need to do is convince us that better then 15 is really really good and 20 mpg is spectacular and we'll flock to them. Hell we could easily beat 50 but right now we wait almost a year for a prius at what 60? it's all in how they market them. That 200 mpg vw concept shouldn't be mentioned ever
shame on us, doomed from the start
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby Antimatter » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 00:09:08

5.4L supercharged V8 and only 475hp...weak :razz:
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&am

Postby TITAN » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 02:19:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', '5').4L supercharged V8 and only 475hp...weak :razz:



Actually the 475 is reported to be very conservative. This mustang has the exact same engine setup as the Ford GT, supposedly slightly 'de-tuned' to around 500hp...And for 1/5th the price of the GT...
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby Battle_Scarred_Galactico » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 04:12:17

Hardly suprising behaviour, no company wants to go bankrupt. I think we'll see far more of these campaigns.
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby linlithgowoil » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 07:50:16

Ford doesnt have a choice. Thye've already spent money developing these cars - they aren't going to advertise them as appaling pieces of crap that have no future.

Still though, that size of engine and supercharged and only that amount of power? What is it with american sports cars? They dont handle well, are flabby and their engines are weak as hell.
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby dukey » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 08:41:57

living in uk ..
not even sure i've ever seen a car with a 5.3 litre engine.

Thats the sort of size engine you would find in a tractor ...
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&am

Postby whereagles » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 09:06:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'l')iving in uk ..
not even sure i've ever seen a car with a 5.3 litre engine.

Thats the sort of size engine you would find in a tractor ...

Tractors usually have 3 or 4 cylinder engines. That makes the engine very bulky. In cars, a 5 litre engine usually has 8, 10 or 12 cylinders. It can be made more horizontal, so as to fit in an engine bay with long hood.

So, for instance, a bmw 645 (you can see quite a lot of those in the UK) looks pretty normal, but under the hood there's a 5 litre engine.
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?''

Postby Novus » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 09:39:20

In an ironic twist of fate many Americans think it is their patriotic duty to buy SUVs especially the super patriotic hummer as a way of supporting our troops. Ford is only going with this trend. If they really wanted to be patriotic they could be less wastefull an buy little geos or better yet take the bus.
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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&qu

Postby Zardoz » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 09:57:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowil', 'W')hat is it with american sports cars? They dont handle well, are flabby and their engines are weak as hell.


Yeah, they suck.

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They suck in big races, too:

http://www.corvetteracing.com/

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Re: Ford's desperate ad campaign: "What oil crunch?&am

Postby ubercrap » Tue 20 Jun 2006, 16:35:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('linlithgowoil', 'F')ord doesnt have a choice. Thye've already spent money developing these cars - they aren't going to advertise them as appaling pieces of crap that have no future.

Still though, that size of engine and supercharged and only that amount of power? What is it with american sports cars? They dont handle well, are flabby and their engines are weak as hell.


Um, what? Peak HP doesn't tell the whole story. You need to look at torque and and over what RPM range the power/torque is produced. I'm sure driving one of those new Mustangs or a Z06 Vette would blow your (and my) mind. The days of, oh, say, those slow mid-eighties/early nineties factory 5.0 Mustangs is long gone. That being said, I don't really like buying fast factory cars, especially American. Any asshole with enough money can do it. I prefer to build up something more humble. It's more fun and unexpected.
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Ford Motor Company = Hurting!

Postby Fergus » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 16:44:33

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5198324.stm

Ford is closing 12 plants (maybe it was 14 plants) and cutting 30,000 jobs by 2012.

Ford is hurting.....big time.

Though I think a lot of Fords problems lie within thier management decisions over the last 20 years, I am sure the oil impact and economic impact of the oil impact will hasten their slide down to bankruptcy or insolvency.

Could be worth watching over the next couple of years. The first of the big guys are starting to get dazed, a few more punches and we could have the first casualty of PO.
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Re: Ford Motor Company = Hurting!

Postby strider3700 » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 17:00:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'T')he first of the big guys are starting to get dazed, a few more punches and we could have the first casualty of PO.

Umm GM has been getting the tar kicked out of it for the past year or two. Ford almost looks good in comparison. They're both toast though
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Re: Ford Motor Company = Hurting!

Postby Dreamtwister » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 17:20:59

Yeah, GM announced it was laying off 30,000 workers last year. That, and the union problems at Delphi make me think they are beating Ford to the scrapyard by a fairly wide margin.
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Re: Ford Motor Company = Hurting!

Postby Euric » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 22:59:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fergus', 'h')ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/5198324.stm
Ford is closing 12 plants (maybe it was 14 plants) and cutting 30,000 jobs by 2012.
Ford is hurting.....big time.
Though I think a lot of Fords problems lie within their management decisions over the last 20 years, I am sure the oil impact and economic impact of the oil impact will hasten their slide down to bankruptcy or insolvency.
Could be worth watching over the next couple of years. The first of the big guys are starting to get dazed, a few more punches and we could have the first casualty of PO.

America's big three is the suffering the effects of having to support the tens of thousands of former workers via pensions and benefits some 25 or more years after they have retired. This is taking a big bite out of the operating capital.

Because these companies are still unionized it is impossible to just take away or cut back on continuing to provide these benefits. In the days when these companies were going strong and there was no foreign competition paying out benefits to retired workers wasn't seen as a big expense considering that people didn't live much longer after they retired. But as the retirees started to live into their 80s and 90s these companies were paying out benefits to people for as much time that they were no longer producing then when they were working and producing.

these companies have two choices;
1.) Cut the cord and let the retirees fend for themselves.

2.) Don't do anything and just go bankrupt.

Either way, the benefits will cease.
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Re: Ford Motor Company = Hurting!

Postby EnergyHog » Thu 20 Jul 2006, 23:06:27

2 out of every 3 people on GM's payroll don't even work. That's a glimpse of what the baby boomer's retiring will do to this country. Where do you get all the money you promised them? Print it.
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