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THE Ford Motor Company Thread (merged)

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Re: More 'Ford Motor Company' brilliance...

Unread postby sciencegirl » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:17:57

Toyota seems to be doing a good job on their hybrid vehicles. Has anyone had any experience driving a toyota hybrid ?
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Re: More 'Ford Motor Company' brilliance...

Unread postby lateStarter » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 15:33:26

From 'Autoweek':

First, Honda will introduce a four-cylinder diesel for use in cars or light trucks. Honda wants to sell diesels in the United States by the end of the decade. Honda sells a diesel Accord in Europe.

"The U.S. is our most important market and a top priority for diesels," says Motoatsu Shiraishi, Honda's president of research and development.

Toyota executives have all but confirmed a heavy-duty diesel engine for the next generation of the Tundra pickup. Toyota does not build a truck-sized diesel engine, but it could adapt an engine produced by its truck-making affiliate, Hino Trucks.

While some import automakers are ready to install diesels in cars, the Big 3 are betting on big trucks. General Motors won't install diesels in cars or small trucks unless consumers demand them, says Tom Stephens, GM's group vice president for global powertrain.

"We do not see an affordable way to implement that technology," said Stephens. "But if the market demands it, I'm there."

For now, Ford also is confining its diesels to heavy-duty pickups.
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Re: More 'Ford Motor Company' brilliance...

Unread postby lateStarter » Wed 23 Aug 2006, 16:03:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sciencegirl', 'T')oyota seems to be doing a good job on their hybrid vehicles. Has anyone had any experience driving a toyota hybrid ?


No experience driving one, but the numbers sure look good... Why don't you go test-drive the Honda and Toyota and report back here with your results? I'm serious....

"The manual version of the hybrid Honda Insight tops the latest government auto fuel economy list, with 60 miles per gallon in the city and 66 mpg on the highway.

The competitor hybrid Toyota Prius was second with 60 mpg in the city and 51 on the highway, the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Energy said Wednesday.

Ford, with its hybrid SUVs, was the only American carmaker to crack the top-10 list for 2006 vehicles.

Honda, Toyota and Volkswagen make eight of the top 10 cars, mostly hybrid electric-gas or diesel-powered. Ford Escape hybrid SUVs, two-wheel and four-wheel drive, round out the list.

The only gas-only vehicle to make the top 10 is the manual Toyota Corolla".
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Re: More 'Ford Motor Company' brilliance...

Unread postby tsakach » Thu 24 Aug 2006, 22:01:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lateStarter', '"')The manual version of the hybrid Honda Insight tops the latest government auto fuel economy list, with 60 miles per gallon in the city and 66 mpg on the highway.

The Honda Insight is still #1 in fuel efficiency for 6 years straight. All I can say is that the Honda Insight is the best damn car I have ever owned. The performance is simply amazing considering it has a 1.0 litre engine which is smaller than many motorcycles. It rocks!

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FORD and Peak Oil/Ethanol

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Thu 07 Sep 2006, 10:06:25

Click the link below.... goes to a video clip at a site about Ford's attempt at a turnaround. One of the first things stated is that we've used up half the oil in the ground. I suppose this is Ford's attempt at getting people to buy into Ethanol.

http://www.fordboldmoves.com/episode.as ... f5b8ac43eb
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Re: FORD and Peak Oil/Ethanol

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Thu 07 Sep 2006, 11:12:42

The video also showcases a gas station that only sells bio/alternative fuels. Included with the E85 and Bio Diesel is E10. It's an interesting business model. The name of the station is "America Fuels".
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Re: FORD and Peak Oil/Ethanol

Unread postby mekrob » Thu 07 Sep 2006, 18:13:00

Ok, did nobody see this or did I just miss the topics (in the case, just redirect me if you will):

Bill Ford stepped down as president of Ford Motor Co. and handed the job over to Alan Mulally

Should be making some sort of news here...
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Re: FORD and Peak Oil/Ethanol

Unread postby Pablo2079 » Fri 08 Sep 2006, 09:36:09

Yeah, I saw it. Not sure if it was a good move or not. Time will tell.....
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Re: FORD and Peak Oil/Ethanol

Unread postby joe1347 » Thu 28 Sep 2006, 22:30:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pablo2079', 'C')lick the link below.... goes to a video clip at a site about Ford's attempt at a turnaround. One of the first things stated is that we've used up half the oil in the ground. I suppose this is Ford's attempt at getting people to buy into Ethanol.

http://www.fordboldmoves.com/episode.as ... f5b8ac43eb



Another bold move by Ford.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ord backs off on 250,000 hybrid promise
Posted Jun 29th 2006 1:25PM by John Neff

Bill Ford announced that his company is backing off on a promise he made last September to produce 250,000 hybrid vehicles by 2010 in an email sent to company employees Wednesday. While many see the move as Ford reneging on his promise, the automaker is saying that it "intends to pursue a broader environmental strategy that focuses more on other alternative-fuel vehicles," according to The Detroit News, which obtained a copy of the email.

http://www.autoblog.com/2006/06/29/ford ... d-promise/



Yeah. Let's see, which is the bolder move? Investing 100's of millions of US Dollars in Hybrid technology to actually improve fuel efficiency or charging a few extra hundred dollars per car to upgrade the fuel lines to use ethanol?

Meanwhile, consumers are still lining up for a Toyota Prius and paying $2000+ over sticker - while Ford is shutting down plants and laying off everyone not nailed down. Bold Move
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Re: FORD and Peak Oil/Ethanol

Unread postby small_steps » Wed 04 Oct 2006, 23:30:33

analysis paralysis

no good options exist when considering continuing operating these companies anyhow like they have been in the past, which the employees, customers, and shareholders assume and expect. At least portions of management understand this, how to change the expectations of the stakeholders is what is going to make or continue to break these companies. The ones who can constructively change the perceptions of the stakeholders will be relatively successful, those how fair to do so will feel harsh backlash.
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THE Ford Motor Company Thread (merged)

Unread postby Denny » Tue 28 Nov 2006, 13:29:53

I see they are now mortgaging their U.S. assets to add another $18 billion to their already staggering debt load of $158 billion. By contrast, the Canadian government debt stands under $450 billion.

Imagine just what the interest cost is when spread over the 2-3 million cars they make a year. And, those sales have been trending down as they have been losing market share every year since 1996. Imagine what will happen to them if the sales drop much further and/or interest rates rise.

To me, this is a good stock to sell short. Could I be wrong on this?

Wouldn't it be much smarter for the Ford excecs to raise the white flag now and invite one of their competitors to buy them out now and end the misery? I would not like to be an unsecured creditor as there very actions indicate desperation.
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby Chuckmak » Tue 28 Nov 2006, 13:35:42

stick a fork in 'em...they're done. GM is next.
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby Niagara » Tue 28 Nov 2006, 13:51:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'T')o me, this is a good stock to sell short.

Could I be wrong on this?

It looks like a great short. I'm short GM myself, but the Ford financial picture looks similar.

Both companies are circling the drain.
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby PrairieMule » Tue 28 Nov 2006, 13:53:07

I thought I heard on the news today that today is the deadline for 38,000 Ford workers to opt on early retirement? The opt out may signal that Ford has just become more flexible and leaner. I know when they cut 2500 jobs (5% of total workforce) here at Countrywide the stock went from $35 a share to $40.25. Short term bandaid solution to a long term problem.
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby Niagara » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 13:37:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', 'T')o me, this is a good stock to sell short.

Could I be wrong on this?

Denny, I'm curious. Did you short Ford?

3 month chart

If so congrats on the great call! Do you use any technical analysis software?
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby greenworm » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 13:47:05

Ford is not toast. Toast has intrinsic value, yum, ford, does not.
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby dukey » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 14:07:57

that debt is a drop in the ocean compared to the US debt of
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Re: Is the Ford Motor Company toast?

Unread postby threadbear » Fri 08 Dec 2006, 14:56:51

Are they toast? Toast implies toasting, or ongoing supplies of cheap energy. They're more like soggy bread dough, in that case. The question is whether or not they'll rise again. If they start building small efficient and cheap cars, like the Prius, or better yet, pur plug technology...maybe. There's a chance.
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