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Unread postby Barbara » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 13:38:19

What about this Science Fiction movie?
Osama shoots GW Bush, and the good ol' Dick Cheney becomes President with a good ol' martial law.
After all, it's already Dick to rule the country since 2000.
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Re: Bush III in 2008

Unread postby big_rc » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 15:52:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Anonymous', 'I')t's clear to me now that the next POTUS will be Jeb Bush.


I agree with you but you have the wrong person. No way Jeb becomes the next POTUS. It will be his son, George P. I have had the chance to meet him and he is incredibly good looking, super bright and a latino to boot. I know someone who is good friends with him and he told me that the Bushes refer to him as 45.
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Unread postby Madpaddy » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 16:34:52

If you are a bible thumper and believe that GW is the ant christ then he only has 3 years left in office. Revelations foretold the rule of the anti christ would last for 7 years.

PS: I don't believe any of this sh.t myself - just trying to get senior poster status
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Unread postby TrueKaiser » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 17:34:56

ok this asumes we will still be having elections.
2008: jeb bush
2012: one of bush's daughters
2016: Arnold
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Unread postby Guest » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 18:13:29

Sketaeri the burdon has always been there from the first day that this country was founded. It was all about splitting it up and taking the slice of the pie. Its not all presidents Bushes fault. Clinton raped resources. as all before.
You seem to say Bush created the absolute Burdon.
Surpluses from Clinton are a falacy. The surpluses we have always seen
are IOUs the governnment gives to itself and says it has budget surplus.

The founding fathers were exploitative capitalists. period. Zero sustainablility. Jefferson, Paine, franklin and the naturalists were the only ones that had it somewhat right.
the generations that get stuck with the Bill are fucked.
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Unread postby johnmarkos » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 18:20:37

Born in 1976, George P. Bush will be too young to run for president till at least 2012. He probably won't run if his father is already president.

Born in late November, 1981, the Bush twins Barbara and Jenna will be too young to run for president till 2016, possibly 2020. Question for constitutional experts: do you have to be 35 to be elected or just to be inaugurated?

On the other hand, we could have Chelsea Clinton in the white house in 2016, for sure.
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Unread postby skateari » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 19:17:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')kateari
Proof proof proof. You make as many claims as the next fool. Seperate yourself.


I'm not trying to write a report or book here, or write an essay, thats why I did not include sources, its just my opinion. It however is based on fact, and truth that I have learned and connected to make me feel this way. I might not be able to pick out specific cases and items to prove my view, but they are backed up, and you can find the truth if you want. A simple reading of "Crossing the Rubicon" will open your eyes and provided more then enough proof to prove my theory, as well as prove our government is indeed a corrupt and fascist regime. But as far as this goes, its up to you to do the reading, but i'll try to produce as much proof of hand as I can right now, to back up my post.

Supressing Opposistion: It has always been widely known of CIA coverups and illegal activities to hind their real intentions. This has been uncoved in many drug smuggling cases, usualy involving money laundering and drug running. Many of these cases may not have been proven in the court of law, due to prevention from the CIA. The CIA runs a lot more then just an itelligence agency, they run a lot of core aspects in our government, including wall street, major investments and money laundering, without CIA involvement in this our government could not preform how it does today. To understand the CIA's involement with our economic system, you have to look at key players in the CIA and where and what they invest in.

Lets take a look at Clark Clifford, for example. He was a democractic powerhouse, former secretary of defense and one time presidental advisor to president Harry Truman. He was a key player in the founding of the BCCI bank in the US, this is a known corrupt CIA drug bank, which was first started in Pakastan. He was a prominent member of the CIA, and his day job was a Wall street lawyer and banker. You will find many strong investments that are tied to top members in the CIA.

John Foster and Allen Dulles; these two men were strong CIA members, both were active in itelligence operations durring WW2, Allen had been America's top OSS spy in switzerland, where he met frequently with Nazi leaders and looked after US investments in Germany. He was also a head member of Standard Oil. John Foster was secretary of state under Dwight Eisenhower, and Aleen served as a CIA director. There professions: they are partners in one of todays more powerful wall street law firms - called Sullivan and Cromwell. There investments included Enron, AIG, Imclone, and the Harvard Endowment.

Many cases that I wont name here are similar, many corperation leaders work closesly with the CIA, or have been appointed possitions in the CIA. It includes Maurice Greenburg, the CEO of AIG, the third largest pool of investment capitol in the world, AB. Krongard, who joined the CIA in 1998, and was the CEO of the investment bank Alex Brown. He is also a close personal friend with CIA director George Tenet. You can find strong investment ties in every realm of the CIA, which are involved in the largest banks, energy corperations, and are some of the most influencial members in wall street. The CIA is a crucial part of running our government, not in just itelligence, but also in the financail sector.

Now that we can see who is in charge of the CIA, and where their interests are, we can understand their motives for operation. Protect their investments, at any cost.

It has also been proven, and also suppressed by the CIA of their involvement in the drug trade. All corperations need capital to make investments, and what a better way to get capital then from money laundering. Where does the laundered money come from? Drugs. The CIA is also the biggest transporter of cocaine and herion in the world. It has been proven, but disproven by the CIA and our government under some shady court rulings. It can all be found, if you chose to look, but Im not writing a book here, im proving my point, and heres a good example:

Lets look at the case of ABC news. In 1984 ABC was devoting serious attention to a CIA scandal in Hawaii, connected to the investments of the firm BBRDW. It was a case connected to money laundering, drugs, and the failed CIA drug bank named NuganHand. CIA director Bill Casey and general counsel Stanly Sporking put extereme pressure on ABC to suppress the news coverage. Durring the public battle, ABC's stock dropped by about 20%, and was proceded by a buyout from a firm called Capitol Cities in 1985, which resulted in the CIA dropping their case against ABC. Whats intersting to note is that Capitol Cities, which bought ABC if founded by Bill Casey, the CIA director. Afterwards ABC became known as "the CIA network". This is just one of many cases in which the CIA has been involved with the supression of truth, and created lies to protect the truth. Many more instances of CIA's involement in the drug trade, money laundering, and illegal activity has all come about, but yet has never showed up on major news outlets. You can find all this information yourself if you look.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he 9/11 Attacks
Now theres also been proof that the CIA has been involved with the 9/11 attacks, in a attempt to protect national security. Not only is their reason to believe that the CIA was involved with the planning, and funding of the attacks, but there is also proof that they suppressed warnings given before the attacks.

Lets take the case of Micheal Vreeland, who worked in the CIA, and gave specific warnings to both the Canadian and American governments of the 9/11 attacks. His forwarnings resulted in him being jailed, under false accusisions of "fraud". He took his case to court, still before the 9/11 attacks, warning the US, and was concerned why his case was not gaining attention, and being ignored, and suppressed, by major members in the government. He wrote a letter while in jail, in August, describing the attacks, including information on the World trade center, pentagon, Bin Ladin, and many other key planners in the attack. This letter was held by the prison until September 14th, when it was opened. There is proof that this letter was written a month before hand, in an attempt to show evidence of his knowledge, after being denied meetings with US and Canadian officails to warn them of the attacks. He is still in jail, and has had many of his documents destroyed, after a CIA raid of his mother's business. If this does not strike you as illegal, and an attempt to hide the truth, and their involvement with 9/11, then you can look at many other cases and find information for yourself. Look into the cases of Gary Eitel, John McCarthy, Terry Reed, Brad Ayers, Scott Barns, etc, just to name a few. These men all forwarned of CIA corruption, drug trade, terrorist ties, money laundering, and attempted to investigate and present the truth to the American people. All these people either ended up dead, or are now in bankrupcy fighting court cases. The CIA has indeed been sucessful in silencing the truth, and there is plenty of proof behind it.

Now, back to the 9/11 attacks. As we are all aware of the connections between Bush, his administration, and the Bin Ladin family. If you investigate this issue for yourself you find it almost unbelievable. The Bin Ladin family (the SBG, Saudi Binladin Group), has billions in investments in the Crylyle group, and stakes in Halliburten and other US investments. They have essinsialy invested in the American dream, and even they are concered about the continuation of America, and their investments.

So Osama bin Ladin, the single most wanted man in the world, who we are now waging war against, has ties to the CIA, and American investments. Is this a coincident? I dont think so. Its suspisious to have the worlds largest terrorist, also be family of one of the richest and powerful companies in Saudi Arabia, and also be a large investor in the US. Is it suspisous that our government says Osama has no ties to his family, but yet meet up with them when in a hospitle before 9/11? Is it suspsious to think why CIA members have meet with Osama before the attacks? Is is suspisous that the ISI (The pakastan version of the CIA) sent $100,000 to the frontman in the 9/11 attacks? Is it also a conincident that the ISI has strong backing from the CIA, and really does all the CIA wants them to do? No, its not coincident, its proof that the CIA has conections with Al Quida, Osama, and the Bin Ladin family.

Im not going to name sources, I dont have time for that, but there are thousands around, and if you just read "Crossing the Rubicon" you will become aware of all the proof and can research it for yourself. This book will open your eyes to the fascism that is taking place in America today, you will understand the corrupt, economic intentions of the CIA, and why its not strange to think why they were behind the 9/11 attacks. By simpily reading one book, Crossing the Rubicon, you will have all the proof you have ever wanted to know in your hands. Its not up to me to prove this for you, its up to yourself to learn and base your foundation of evidence on the proof presented and the proof that you can find.

If you can understand Peak Oil, it is much easier to understand the motives behind 9/11, and the wars that ensued as a response to them. If you understand Peak Oil, you may understand why our government would do such a thing in the wake of the largest economic desaster to ever hit humankind. Peak Oil is the underlying foundation of the corrput, fascist regime that has taken hold in America, and the only thing to stop it is to uncover the truth.

PS. Sorry for the mis-spellings! My darned spellcheck wont work for some odd reason, and im not going back threw that book I just wrote to correct my lazyness! :-D
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Unread postby Marco » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 19:59:14

Hey Skateari,

I for one agree with you.

What surprises me is that intelligent peole who think Bush is a- (choose an adjective) and his administration are a bunch of (choose several adjectives) won't take the extra stretch and admit to the essential criminality of this regime.

9-11 was an inside job for sure. The proof 007 asks for is hanging right in front of our faces. These guys were smart and well trained, but God were they sloppy. More loose ends than a Paris Hilton dress. Don't believe me? Think I'm a jerk? OK-maybe I am a jerk- but I am also correct. So are a lot of other people.

Don't take my work, or Skateari's for that matter. Look for yourself! But while your at it consider the following:

massive war games on 9-11. This was the cover fore the real blackops.

Ft 11 and 77 do not exist on the flight schedules. FT 93 was a ring-in.

check out the Pentagon photos. Where is the Boing???? It was a missile. Who were the guys taken out in the Pentagon attack? Only part of the control group overseeing the legit war gaming.

Ft 11 never hit the first tower. Maybe it was a global hawk (or something else) but is sure as hell was not FT11

FT 175 never hit the second tower. A converted air force fueler did.

those towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Don't believe me? then how did several other buildings (WTC7 for a start) go down like pancakes when they had been hit by exactly nothing?

I could go on, but I think any person seeking the truth about 3000 murdered people needs to stop watching CNN and have a closer look.

For anyone interested- check out www. physics911.org and other fine sites for yourself. Mike Rupperts From The Wilderness site is also very good. For video analysis- check out the web fairy site-you will be amazed- and appalled.

After you have done this I defy anyone to come back and tell me these swine would balk at a little thing like election fraud.

regards Marco
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Unread postby big_rc » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 22:40:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('johnmarkos', 'B')orn in 1976, George P. Bush will be too young to run for president till at least 2012. He probably won't run if his father is already president.
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You're right. That's why the Bushes will adopt Arnold after the Republicans tamper with the constitution a bit. He'll be next in line after Dubya even though he might be a bit too liberal for the Bible belt though (although a dead Republican dog could beat a live Democratic candidate in the Bible belt these days.)
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Unread postby skateari » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 23:06:34

What a timely article to show up on the front page :-D

http://207.44.245.159/article7217.htm

"Hello: You Are Now Living In A Fascist Empire."

key points: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')On September 11, 2001, all the rules and paradigms of our post-Cold War world were incinerated in the ashes of Ground Zero. For the past three years, 9-11 researchers (not the ones that produce substandard fiction like the 9-11 Commission Report) have gathered enough evidence to convict and imprison for life as war criminals the perpetrators many times over. Hint: The perpetrators were not Islamic terrorists, although Islamic terrorists were used as intelligence assets by the United States government to commit the atrocities. When we understand the motive, means, and opportunity (the three factors all criminal investigators examine first, but which the Kean Commission couldn’t be bothered with) of September 11, we will understand unequivocally that we no longer live in a democratic republic, but rather a burgeoning fascist empire."



$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat few people in America understand, despite the astute observations of millions of individuals around the world, is that we are living in an empire, and we are no longer living in a democracy. Every last semblance of democracy in our nation that, in our desperate denial, we leave our claw marks on, is evaporating with each tick of the clock.. America’s allies and enemies internationally are calling like it is: Within four years, the so-called democratic republic of the United States will be unrecognizable. Without question, we can expect the destruction of Roe v. Wade, the packing of the Supreme Court with Christian fascist maniacs, the invasion of Iran, Syria, North Korea, and Colombia, to name a few. Even more horrifying is the likelihood that one of the cavalier, oil-sucking exploits will end up in a nuclear exchange. We can count on a ghastly tanking of the U.S. economy and a government policy of privatization (piratization?) on steroids.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'E')ndless versions of and addendums to the Patriot Act will become the law of the land, and another terrorist attack, deliberately planned, orchestrated and financed by persons in the U.S. government and the energy and financial sectors will almost certainly occur. It will undoubtedly catapult the nation into Code Red and martial law. The folks who could not grasp the futility of voting for a corporate candidate or a third-party candidate who cannot possibly win have not allowed themselves to comprehend that the Machiavelli-worshipping neoconservatives of the Bush Crime Family WILL NEVER, I said, WILL NEVER, turn over this government willingly—not in 2004, not in 2008, not EVER. They proudly proclaim that they have no problem with doing WHATEVER is required to remain in power. That includes rigging elections, assassinations, book-cooking, and above all, carefully crafting their personal propaganda machine, the American corporate media.


Looks like at least one person see's whats going on in the world and agree's with me. Peak Oil is going to show the worst in people, and its already doing so in the highest ranks of our government. Like I said, America is doing quite a good job of brainwashing using propaganda and supressing the truth.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 23:22:45

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Marco', 'H')ey Skateari,

I for one agree with you.

What surprises me is that intelligent peole who think Bush is a- (choose an adjective) and his administration are a bunch of (choose several adjectives) won't take the extra stretch and admit to the essential criminality of this regime.

9-11 was an inside job for sure. The proof 007 asks for is hanging right in front of our faces. These guys were smart and well trained, but God were they sloppy. More loose ends than a Paris Hilton dress. Don't believe me? Think I'm a jerk? OK-maybe I am a jerk- but I am also correct. So are a lot of other people.

Don't take my work, or Skateari's for that matter. Look for yourself! But while your at it consider the following:

massive war games on 9-11. This was the cover fore the real blackops.

Ft 11 and 77 do not exist on the flight schedules. FT 93 was a ring-in.

check out the Pentagon photos. Where is the Boing???? It was a missile. Who were the guys taken out in the Pentagon attack? Only part of the control group overseeing the legit war gaming.

Ft 11 never hit the first tower. Maybe it was a global hawk (or something else) but is sure as hell was not FT11

FT 175 never hit the second tower. A converted air force fueler did.

those towers were brought down by controlled demolition. Don't believe me? then how did several other buildings (WTC7 for a start) go down like pancakes when they had been hit by exactly nothing?

I could go on, but I think any person seeking the truth about 3000 murdered people needs to stop watching CNN and have a closer look.

For anyone interested- check out www. physics911.org and other fine sites for yourself. Mike Rupperts From The Wilderness site is also very good. For video analysis- check out the web fairy site-you will be amazed- and appalled.

After you have done this I defy anyone to come back and tell me these swine would balk at a little thing like election fraud.

regards Marco


You have to believe in consipracy theories to even begin to think 9/11 was an inside job. You obviously do, and as such the information you see seems to be truth. From my viewpoint, its as logical as saying it was an alien invasion. I just dont believe it for a minute, not ANY bit of it. In fact, the whole "Wheres the plane" game (In regards to the Pentagon) has given me hours of laughter reading the speculation that ranges from silly to downright assinine.
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Unread postby skateari » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 23:42:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have to believe in consipracy theories to even begin to think 9/11 was an inside job. You obviously do, and as such the information you see seems to be truth. From my viewpoint, its as logical as saying it was an alien invasion. I just dont believe it for a minute, not ANY bit of it. In fact, the whole "Wheres the plane" game (In regards to the Pentagon) has given me hours of laughter reading the speculation that ranges from silly to downright assinine.


Your an idiot.

Plain and simple. You and your consertive views wont look at or cant handle the truth. Read and learn before you squak, theres a lot of information out there if you open up your thick head you might be able to handle the truth, you are about the same as a Nazi supporter, brainwashed by other ideas instead of accpeting your own. So many ignorant americans out there, its almost laughable
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Sun 07 Nov 2004, 23:53:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('skateari', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou have to believe in consipracy theories to even begin to think 9/11 was an inside job. You obviously do, and as such the information you see seems to be truth. From my viewpoint, its as logical as saying it was an alien invasion. I just dont believe it for a minute, not ANY bit of it. In fact, the whole "Wheres the plane" game (In regards to the Pentagon) has given me hours of laughter reading the speculation that ranges from silly to downright assinine.


Your an idiot.

Plain and simple. You and your consertive views wont look at or cant handle the truth. Read and learn before you squak, theres a lot of information out there if you open up your thick head you might be able to handle the truth, you are about the same as a Nazi supporter, brainwashed by other ideas instead of accpeting your own. So many ignorant americans out there, its almost laughable


*I'M* an idiot for NOT buying into some half assed conspiracy theory?? Ok..... If you say so Chief.
I personally think its laughable people belief them, supposedly have "so much proof" and yet none of it has been supported. Dont you think theres some high powered special interest groups that would absolutely LOVE to proof Bush and his crew was supporting the whole 9/11 deal? No no, lets not go down that road though, because it would proof the conspiracy crap is just that....crap.
If it WAS an inside job, WE WOULD KNOW. Not because some 30 year old who hides in his moms basement puts it on a webpage, but because some high powered organization (Democrats, ACLU, etc etc) would be pressing the issue to have Bush & Co shot for treason.
Facts man. Thats what i LOVE about you guys over here. You ALWAYS ignore the simplest of facts.
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Unread postby skateari » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 00:11:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')If you say so Chief.
I personally think its laughable people belief them, supposedly have "so much proof" and yet none of it has been supported.


The facts have been supported, the proof does exist. Just because you spend your time watching CNN, instead of doing some research and enlightening yourself, that means the proof does not exist? There is SO much proof its amazing there are people who can think otherwise! Well, then again there are a lot of ignorant people out there who have not tried to uncover the truth, they see the attacks on CNN and go word for word by it. But there are some people in search of the truth, thousands, millions of them know what our government has done and is doing. Just because you are part of the brainwashed masses and have not uncovered the truth for youself does not mean I am wrong.

Your mind seems to have a hard time grasping this, but I cant blame you. You have obviously not tried to read up and learn about this issue, but you listen to what others tell you. If you really want to know the truth, you can always find it. Why do you respond to my post, which you asked me about, instead of Marco's - who obviously makes a consipiricy theory out of the deal. The facts remain that the CIA has a lot of proven contact with the backers of the 9/11 attacks. There is PROOF that the CIA supressed attempts to warn people about the attacks. There PROOF that the CIA has also silenced any oposition, many articles about the matter have not made it to the public press. The major media outlets are all owned from corporations who are all involved in the government affairs.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hats what i LOVE about you guys over here. You ALWAYS ignore the simplest of facts


Its not about simple facts, if you are basing your opinion on simple facts given to you by the US media, then that explains your ignorance. When it comes down to 9/11, there are no 'simple' facts; but there are a lot of small and important ones that build a strong case; a case which our government has ignored. 9/11 survivors and family members of those lost have demanded a 9/11 hearing, all they got was the 9/11 commision set up by those in high power. None of the important questions were awnsred, and the people are demanding a real, truthful and non-supressed hearing regarding the governments actions in the case. A case which will probably never go threw, because there is a huge ammount of evidence that shows connections; but our government just wont let it be heard. That doesn't mean that you cant find it if you look.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f it WAS an inside job, WE WOULD KNOW. Not because some 30 year old who hides in his moms basement puts it on a webpage, but because some high powered organization (Democrats, ACLU, etc etc) would be pressing the issue to have Bush & Co shot for treason.


YOU knowing is the single most feared part about this whole plan. Of course our government knows the normal american cant know about this, they cant know about peak oil, they cant know about the broader reasons for government affairs. But you dont have to be the normal american, a lot of forms of knowledge can be found despite the governments attempts to remove it. The internet cant spread a vast ammount of information, truthful, meaningful information that is backed up by fact. Books hold a lot of information, and there are plenty books out there, that are also based on fact and proof. However you will find that the newspapers, raido, and TV are all full of propaganda and misleading information.. and I bet thats where you get a lot of your reasoning from, what people tell you, not what you find.

If theres anything that might be able to force the truth into you head, it may be the book "Crossing the Rubicon", by Michael Ruppert. If you have a somewhat normal IQ and read this book, then im sure you will be able to link one thing to another and learn. The truth is out there, just because its not put in front of your face doesn't mean its not there - just sometimes it takes some looking. Or, at least some reading, so buy the book, read it, and then see if you can pose a arguement.
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Unread postby Guest » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 00:29:30

Specop,

You really need to read the following article:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html

An excerpt:

The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.

When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions.

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Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 01:21:26

Ok, lets say for a minute that the Gubment was in on it.
Wheres the plane? Where the hell is the plane? Its not a set of car keys, it doesnt fall behind the desk. Its not a wallet, you cant misplace it in a drawer.
So, wheres the plane?

Aside from that, planes, when they hit conrete walls, do (for all practical purposes) basically just vaporize. But lets not discuss this, its been argued to no end all over the web.

Just tell me, where is the plane?
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 01:27:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Guest', 'S')pecop,

You really need to read the following article:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/reich.html

An excerpt:

The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.

When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by Hitler himself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage; to stand up to Hitler's lies and deceptions.

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About 2 paragraphs later is where I quit reading.
Talk to a WWII vet, ask him if he thinks the Germans were cowards. My Uncle was a tanker, liost behind enemy lines for 2 days.
The Germans were not cowards. Perhaps the people back home, but not the soldiers. But, thats the case with EVERY country. I can point out thousands of cowards right here at home. You know what a coward is? Someone who cant stand up for themselves. How many people in this country said "If Bush is re elected....".... And how many followed through? None that I know of! Not 1 person has moved out of the country, or done whatever other fanciful idea they had. Why?
Cowards.
But thats neither here nor there I suppose.
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Unread postby Specop_007 » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 01:30:03

Ok, I read it all. Dont believe much of it, but I read it nonetheless. Trying to compare Americans now to Germans in the 1930's just doesnt even seem possible to me....Unless you buy into far fetched conpsiracy theories. I do not. Cancelled that subscription years ago.
Best of luck to you on that though.
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Unread postby skateari » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 01:36:19

America is doing a spedid job, just look at specop for example. So shose the path of denying the facts and possilbity to gain broader knowledge, and continue to support the corrupt government. So how does this make you any better then the brainwashed citizens in Nazi germany? If you cant add up the fact that

1) we are running out of oil, and the US needs it
2) in order to buy a war, you need to invoke terror, and justify the war
3) our government is corrupt, and has been proven so. But it does not seem to make it onto the media due to censorship and propaganda tactics.
4)our government is now killing 100,000+ peaple, women and children included, for the sake of our greedy intentions.

So if you cant those things up, and at least make it a possibility the US planned the attacks, then you cant do simple level math. It all makes sense, it all adds up, and all the facts point that way. Denial will get you in the same situations the Germans were in, you will be no different from them.
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Unread postby skateari » Mon 08 Nov 2004, 01:46:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')ust tell me, where is the plane?


You have just proved his point. The plane should have been documented, listen and examined as evidence. None of that happend, it all points to government cover up. How can the government not keep track and book as evidence the result of the weapond used to strike? Why was the world trade center cleaned up so quick, why was there no investigation on the collapse? What is it that our government is so despritly trying to hide? Why is there proof that the government ignored and silenced people trying to warn about the attacks? Why has it been proven that agencies with ties to the CIA directly payed for the 9/11 attacks? Why is it fact that the CIA officials have meet up with Osama, let his family visit Osama (the family that has billions invested in America), and allow the family to flee the US despite a air-flight ban? What is our government trying to hide?? What are they drying to supress, silence and destroy? Why is this matter not being allowed to be tried in court? You awnser me those questions and then you have a case, until then, you keep watching CNN, and you keep supporting the Nazi's.
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