[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'J')ust another nail in his political coffin.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'J')ust another nail in his political coffin.

Keep it up, Jeb. You'll be forgotten soon enough. It won't be too much longer until the Cheney-era neocons are remembered in the same vane as the Pol Pots and Ghadaffis of the world. They all did much more harm than good to the world.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '
')
Don't forget--- HILLARY VOTED TO AUTHORIZE THE IRAQ WAR.

And then, after she voted for the Iraq war, Hillary voted another 21 times to support and fund more Iraq War.

JEB said a dumb thing. Hillary actually did dumb things---Hillary actually bears some personal responsibility for the Iraq War.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Timo', 'J')ust another nail in his political coffin.

Keep it up, Jeb. You'll be forgotten soon enough. It won't be too much longer until the Cheney-era neocons are remembered in the same vane as the Pol Pots and Ghadaffis of the world. They all did much more harm than good to the world.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Lore', '.')..the shadow President......

[Lore]

I really do wish Dick was imaginary!

[Sixstrings]

Why don't we actually move beyond Iraq, and talk about the future wars instead.

Do you guys agree with my assessment that hillary is just a bit to the left of a Jeb Bush, and that she is to the right of Obama?

I really think if she had been president, she would have sent rockets to Ukraine. Actually all R's and D's were for that, at one point. I followed this issue closely, and Obama really was isolated in holding off, he was the only one.

Which I criticized, on this forum, at the time. It's actually not an easy call. Here we've got Russia that was doing all it was doing, and we've got this new ally Ukraine, so wtf do you do. If you do nothing, a lot of people die. If you do something, then maybe that just turns into a lot of other somethings and you have another ten year Iraq on your hands -- and a lot of people still die, plus you get the blame for it.

On balance, I have to admit Obama's reticent approach -- on Ukraine -- maybe turned out for the best. Russia was checkmated enough, all they got was Crimea, Kiev never fell and got just enough support, but we didn't wind up in a darn war with frickin' Russia either.

So what do you guys think. You have to accept and realize a President Clinton would have done more on that, she would have sent those shoulder fired rockets, she is definitely far to the right of Obama on neocon stuff.

Obama's policy on Iraq worked out less well -- he really could have kept a residual force there and prevented ISIS to start with, and also prevented Iranians getting too much control over the Iraqi government.

So I give O an A on Ukraine (on balance, judging on where we ended up with his policy) and then a D- on Iraq.

But let's talk about future wars -- Hillary will ALWAYS have a chip on her shoulder, and awareness, that she needs to "look tough." That's partly because she's a woman, and thinks she has to do more so she isn't painted as weak, and it's partly because she's been in political combat for 30 years. And then add to that, her donors are millionaires and billionaires and corps / the MIC, and a lot of them are into foreign policy and want to see intervention and things done.

This election is about the future wars, really, not the old ones -- Hillary's a bit of a hawk, are y'all comfortable with that?

[Pops]

BAU is the US military enforcing "democracy" which allows US based supra-national corporations to invade, call it Corporate Colonialism. That is exactly what happened in Iraq, the oil was "privatized" by the military and put out to bid.

Our militarism will continue just exactly as long as Uncle Sugar is indebted to US based supra-national corps for campaign finance and, more importantly, for post civil service employment (bribery).

Very few mainstream politicians can or will exist outside that system.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'B')AU is the US military enforcing "democracy" which allows US based supra-national corporations to invade, call it Corporate Colonialism. That is exactly what happened in Iraq, the oil was "privatized" by the military and put out to bid.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he Jeb Bush Adviser Who Should Scare You
Paul Wolfowitz not only championed the Iraq war; he obsessively promoted a bizarre conspiracy theory.
—By David Corn | Wed May 13
Last week, Jeb Bush, the all-but-announced GOP presidential candidate, stirred up a fuss when he privately told a group of Manhattan financiers that his top adviser on US-Israeli policy is George W. Bush. Given that Jeb has tried mightily to distance himself from his brother, whose administration used false assertions to launch the still highly unpopular Iraq war, this touting of W.—even at a behind-closed-doors session of Republican donors—seemed odd. But perhaps more noteworthy is that Jeb Bush has embraced much of his brother's White House foreign policy team. In February, the Jeb Bush campaign released a list of 21 foreign policy advisers; 17 of them served in the George W. Bush administration. And one name stood out: Paul Wolfowitz, a top policy architect of the Iraq war—for the prospect of Wolfowitz whispering into Jeb's ear ought to scare the bejeezus out of anyone who yearns for a rational national security policy.

Wolfowitz, who was deputy defense secretary under George W. Bush, was a prominent neocon cheerleader for the invasion of Iraq. He was also the top conspiracy theorist in the Bush-Cheney crowd. As Michael Isikoff and I reported in our our 2006 book, Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War, Wolfowitz, prior to the Iraq war, was a champion of a bizarre theory promoted by an eccentric academic named Laurie Mylroie: Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, not Islamic extremists such as Al Qaeda, was responsible for most of the world's anti-United States terrorism.

[Sixstrings]

Well, Bush is trying to now walk back "I would have authorized the war" to saying that he actually would have made a different decision than his brother did / "I don't know what that decision would have been:"

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]BUSH STRUGGLES TO CLARIFY STANCE ON WISDOM OF INVADING IRAQ

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Struggling with the shadows of Iraq, Jeb Bush said Tuesday he would have made a different decision than his brother to invade Iraq in 2003 had he known what he does now about flaws in the nation's intelligence.

But he didn't say what that decision would have been.

...

In a radio interview Tuesday, Bush said it was clear there were mistakes in reports claiming Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. Had he known about the faulty intelligence, Bush said, he would have made a different decision about sending tens of thousands of U.S. troops into Iraq.

"I don't know what that decision would have been," Bush said on Sean Hannity's radio show. "That's a hypothetical."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_GOP_2016_THE_IRAQ_QUESTION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-12-19-16-32

[PrestonSturges]

The way Jeb answered, he said he'd invade today. Although that's probably not what he meant, it was a stupid, stupid answer.

And that's what Laura Ingraham said on her show, that invading was a stupid act by stupid people. So I guess that means that even conservative pundits are now saying that Michael Moore and Code Pink are smarter than any Republican?

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'T')he way Jeb answered, he said he'd invade today. Although that's probably not what he meant, it was a stupid, stupid answer.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'J')eb Bush and the rest of the republican candidates are all psychotic fools. Everyone associated with the Repubican Party is a psychotic fool. Except the Mormon. He/it is merely a dimwitted rich boy.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'I') don't see how the rethugs are better at math. We demos understand the planet is a finite entity. The rethugs believe we are destined to be raptured up and it doesn't matter if we burn the whole place down.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'B')esides, think of all the time I will save, not reading Six's tomes as he finally figures out he will be voting for Hillary.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sixstrings', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '.')..tomes ...

[Sixstrings]

Jeb Bush evolves some more:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]I would NOT have gone into Iraq says Jeb Bush
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yd90Z28B8_A