[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')eah. He is a geologist working in the petroleum industry. Big hoo haa. People are interested in facts and are capable of reading them and making informed judgements. I have. It is important to start.

[Jack]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReserveGrowthRulz', 'I')'m a research scientist nowadays. Got an award which calls me one to prove it.

[MonteQuest]

I find it extremely tedious to see people prefer to stir up rancor rather than honest debate.

The whole "doomer" PO Mythology rant is so unprofessional as to be childish and petty.

Get off this rant RGR, it is off-topic.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'o')h and I have yet to see how we are going to pump 120 million barrels of oil/day in 2020 much less 90 million in a few years.

yeah pick apart my numbers. who gives a shit. you know just what I mean.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd I've already mentioned who is going to solve this particular problem, and it sure isn't the whiners of the world.

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReserveGrowthRulz', '
')But please...feel free to prove the truth of my prior statement about Doomers ignoring everything of a factual nature pointed out to them in an effort to not have to admit that the future may not quite be as bad as they WANT it to be.

[Petro]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')eserveGrowthRulz wrote:
More support for my statement that once Doomers have their minds set, they don't pay attention to obvious facts. When someone points out Brazil as a self sufficient energy economy, all you can spout off is something about "sugar slaves" as though slavery exists in Brazil, which it doesn't, and can't even contradict the obvious point, which is they did it, therefore others can as well. Don't want to talk about that of course...and again..it proves my main point. Doomers want Doom....not solutions.

[Golgo13]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')So, I’m left with but a few conclusions:

1. TPTB think “peak oil” is way down the road, thus not a priority.
2. TPTB have some readily scalable “new oil energy source” up their sleeve.
3. TPTB see peak oil as imminent and are acting, having duly considered all the options available.

I think #3 is the only real candidate for reality.

But what are they doing, you ask?

Engaging in, and preparing to fight over the remaining fossil fuel reserves of the world...

[MC2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissimulo', 'I') think it is actually a combination of #1 and #3. People in government are just like everyone else. Congress runs the same gamut of wacky ideas held by the rest of the population. I'm sure this is little different the world over. So, those with the most knowledge are preparing to fight for the scraps, while those with less knowledge figure we have many more years of oil to burn.

Remember, it is considered wisdom to scoff at anyone who claims that our way of life could come to an end. Predicting the end of the world is an annual crackpot event. People who built bomb shelters during the cold war were fools - all that worry and nothing happened! Ah - the arrogance to think that you were born during the time that such major events would occur. Etc, etc, etc...

[MonteQuest]

Like I have been saying...

Preemptive Energy Security: An Aggressive Approach to Meeting America's Requirements

This Strategic Research Project analyzes the need to change the National Security Strategy to advocate the use of military force to guarantee access to foreign oil sources...A precipitive use of the military could easily trigger an escalation in hostilities, generate a tremendous amount of anti-American sentiment, lead to United Nations’ sanctions, and fracture friendships and alliances. But compared to the economic effects of an oil shortage, such risks are acceptable.

Thus we invaded Iraq. A real eye opener this one is.

http://www.energybulletin.net/17811.html

[zensui-org]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '.')..and 911 kicked off the whole Iraqi/Central Asia invasion

I sort of suspect that some population reduction measures are being talked about in priviliged circles.

If you think about the Earth's human population in purely dispassionate terms, then in the case of acute energy shortages, the population will clearly need to be pruned back in order to allow the civilization to continue.

It's that simple.

I think somewhere out there, people are hard at work creating laboratory viruses...

[kokoda]

I made a point of emailing the prime minister's office (Im an Aussie) to see if they were aware of peak oil and its implications.

What I got back was a form letter (naturally) outlining a number of initiatives that were being undertaken by the government to look at alternative energy sources.

The PO word was never mentioned with greater emphasis being given to combating greenhouse gas emissions.

None of the initiatives they mentioned seemed to be likely to do much to mitigate the problems of PO or global warming.

They were talking in terms of replacing maybe 5% of our fossil fuels consumption with biofuels by 2010. Hooking up a few renewable energy powerstations to the nations power grid ... and ... well not much more then that really.

The fact is that the Australian government is ill prepared to deal with the looming global oil crisis. They are aware of it ... but just aren't quite sure what they should do about it.

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')
Hubbard, on the other hand, claimed he could forecast a commodity 30 years in advance! But this was in the days before chaos theory, before computers, before everything we know about how complex systems work and how to model them. Hubbard, in this context is a dinosaur and also a clueless optomist.

And yet, the old boy still seems to have modelled things bang-on. To any scientist, this is now a wake-up call. Scientific doctrine says, we cannot bend facts to keep them fitting a fashionable theory, not when a better fit (Hubbard) is available.

So if Hubbard was right (or at least right-er than other, more fashionable models) then we should IMHO work with him for now (or until a better fit comes along).

[JPL]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ReserveGrowthRulz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')
Hubbard, on the other hand, claimed he could forecast a commodity 30 years in advance! But this was in the days before chaos theory, before computers, before everything we know about how complex systems work and how to model them. Hubbard, in this context is a dinosaur and also a clueless optomist.

And yet, the old boy still seems to have modelled things bang-on. To any scientist, this is now a wake-up call. Scientific doctrine says, we cannot bend facts to keep them fitting a fashionable theory, not when a better fit (Hubbard) is available.

So if Hubbard was right (or at least right-er than other, more fashionable models) then we should IMHO work with him for now (or until a better fit comes along).

[ReserveGrowthRulz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JPL', '
')
Hi RGR

Thanks for the reply. My criticism IS with Hubbards' idea - the math is 'dated' and although I haven't read your references (newcomer - pls re-quote if you have a sec) I know enough about predictive modelling to consign his work to my mental 'dusty top shelf'.

Problem is, when looking at 'Peak Oil' I still keep mentally reaching for Hubbard. Like the porn mags in the garage that your wife doesn't know about. Compulsive.

Now if we had another depletion model, THAT would be different. Something bang up-to-date. Hopefully takes a zillion tetraflops of computer power to run & then gives us a real-decent model. And THAT would be something worth arguing about...

JPL

[MonteQuest]

RGR....

Heed my warning. You are off-topic.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Montequest', 'I') find it extremely tedious to see people prefer to stir up rancor rather than honest debate.

The whole "doomer" PO Mythology rant is so unprofessional as to be childish and petty.

Get off this rant RGR, it is off-topic.

[NEOPO]

Iraq via WMD via 911 via PO makes sense to me most days