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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby rwwff » Sat 13 May 2006, 21:09:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Russian_Cowboy', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rwwff', 'B')igger question, why should anyone care if the Jews slaughtered xyz's in the year pdq. As far as a I can tell, every ethnic group on the planet has done some slaughtering as they found themselves in a position to do so.


This what I am trying to prove. But the jews vehemently deny the fact that they are not saints or angels and that they also murdered other people throughout their history. A historical mass murder of Aryans by Jews is even celebrated as a major holiday named Purim.


No its not. You've not said one word about why we should care whether the Jews have killed 10 people, 10,000 people, or 10,000,000 people. Its irrelevant to the alliance with Israel. Frankly, I'd assume somewhere in the 500,000 to 2,000,000 range; about where you'd put any particular ethnic group that has had some access to civilization, but maybe not necessarily the extremes of industrial scale slaughter where you can kill 5,000,000 to 50,000,000 people.

In the end though, we are not Israel's friend because of the holocaust. We are their friend because they are the beachhead we may one day desperately need. They are the one's who'll "make a hole". They're the ones who'll provide a large enough stand off distance so our carriers and cruisers can stage up and resupply with impunity before the engagement. They're the ones who'll put a second and third thought into any Arab or Persian dictator who thinks they could defend themselves with a few nuclear explosions.

Funniest part is that when it happens, they aren't going to be like everyone else, they'll be the ones to say, "what the hay took you so long."
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby BraveSirRobin » Sun 14 May 2006, 17:01:10

Just reading this thread - why is it you cannot breathe one sentence,
say even one thing negative about the Jewish people without being slapped with the anit-semite label? Even if you are looking at history and drawing the attention of the un-informed to some facts that never got mentioned

It's getting the point where you can't even say the word Jew
without feeling uncomfortable. Have YOU noticed that?

So let me say it.
Jew.
Jew Jew Jew.
Now even though I said it, I'm not an anti-semite but somebody
is not doubt going to post a reply to the contrary.

Jews slaughter Palestinians every day of the year.
I have a problem with that.

Does that make me anti-semetic? No.
I don't hate, but I believe in justice and finding the truth.

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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby rwwff » Sun 14 May 2006, 21:12:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BraveSirRobin', 'J')ust reading this thread - why is it you cannot breathe one sentence,
say even one thing negative about the Jewish people without being slapped with the anit-semite label? Even if you are looking at history and drawing the attention of the un-informed to some facts that never got mentioned


Problem is, I don't think there are any uniformed around here. I think everyone here is mature enough accept that all ethnic groups have, from time to time, engaged in large scale slaughters. Saying the Jews killed slavs or whatever doesn't make anyone antisemetic.

Demanding that I should care what some Jewish population did a hundred or two years ago, however, is silly. Its irrelevant to the alliance with Israel.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BraveSirRobin', '
')It's getting the point where you can't even say the word Jew
without feeling uncomfortable. Have YOU noticed that?


Actually, I find it fairly common, especially among anglos, to be a bit oversensitive about expressing any identification of someone's ethnicity. Jewish, black, hispanic, asian, whatever. Heck, I feel it; I'm conscious of it and try to tell myself its stupid, but that doesn't invalidate the discomfort.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BraveSirRobin', '
')Jews slaughter Palestinians every day of the year.
I have a problem with that.


Yeah yeah. Jews slaughter Palestinians, but the brave freedom fighters seeking justice for the downtrodden Palestinian People are delivering appropriate and honorable reprisals for the horrors inflicted upon them by their vile oppressors.

Broken record. And irrelevant. Israel will be much happier to host our military in preperation for these resource wars than will the palestinians. End of story.

Hamas would say, "out infedel out!"
Israel would say, "its about freeking time"

I don't see how the choice even makes an interesting debate, yet here we are....
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"Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think so..

Unread postby Zardoz » Thu 25 May 2006, 18:27:51

Putin isn't the one in trouble here:

Putin faces energy shootout

"...EU chiefs will press President Vladimir Putin today to agree to new rules on future Russian oil and gas supplies, pricing and investment."

Oh, he'll agree to new rules, all right. His rules.

They'd better call for backup. The whole sorry bunch of "EU chiefs" combined are no match for this dude:

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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby rwwff » Thu 25 May 2006, 18:48:05

I say we should be on the winner's side.

Russia. EU abandoned us, we should abandom them.
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby lutherquick » Thu 25 May 2006, 19:08:42

This is capitalism, it's business... Putin is a cold, hard business man. He is protecting his own.
You think the Japanese are difficult to negotiate with?

Russia is sitting pretty. Putin hold the cards.
America and the EU will pay what Russia wants or they can let the lights go out.

I'm in NJ, my local Lukoil gas station will soon allow me to buy in Rubles, I can't wait.
And to save my money, I will gladly save in Russian Rubles as Russia opens Russian banks here in the US. Supposedly, my 3 Lukoil gas station will allow me access to Russian accounts.

Anybody with brains will run fast away from the dollar.
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby Lighthouse » Thu 25 May 2006, 19:12:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lutherquick', '.')..

Anybody with brains will run fast away from the dollar.


To the Rubel? :evil:
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby Jack » Thu 25 May 2006, 20:07:15

Perhaps to the Ruble. Russia appears to be resurgent,
and they have - for now - abundant natural resources.
That sounds like a strong currency. Perhaps a strong
stock market as well.

But there is a question - who comes after Putin? Isn't
his second term over in 2 years? As I recall he is term-limited.
Who comes next? The right leader could guide Russia to a period
of prosperity. The wrong kind would make a mess.
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby DantesPeak » Thu 25 May 2006, 21:28:26

Better duck. Russia seeks to 'renegotiate' terms of large deals - using the new rules:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')ussia calls to review foreign oil deals
By Arkady Ostrovsky in Mosocw
Published: May 25 2006 13:34 | Last updated: May 25 2006 19:13

Russia’s natural resources ministry called on Thursday for a review of the two largest foreign oil projects in the country, even as senior Russian officials sought to assure EU leaders that Russia was a reliable energy partner.


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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby lutherquick » Fri 26 May 2006, 12:40:31

Jack,

You are right, who comes after Putin? Another Yeltsin or another smart business man like Putin...

And I ask, who comes after Bush? Another idiot chimp?

Basicly, I believe we get more of the same... Putin will make sure someone with brains gets into office and we will see Russia stronger than today...

Bush, well, he will be in church, praying to GOD that Jeb will be the next president... And 4-6 years from now America will be in a depression, you know? for democracy...
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby Jack » Fri 26 May 2006, 13:43:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lutherquick', '
')And I ask, who comes after Bush? Another idiot chimp?


If we're lucky - we in the U.S., and we in the world - we will get another idiot chimp. The problem we face is that Chimpy has put in place all the legal and political infrastructure for a true tyranny. So if we get a smart, ruthless, and charismatic leader, we could easily face a nightmare. And it won't be just the U.S. that faces that problem - a competent madman at the helm of the U.S. is a significant danger to everyone. So, truly, another incompetent leader might be our best hope.

I suppose there is a possibility of a smart, capable leader who will try to lead us forward and fix some of the damage we've accumulated over the past 6 years - but I don't see anyone who would fulfill such a role. Not in either party. I hope someone comes forward in the next couple of years.... :cry:
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 26 May 2006, 14:30:27

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '.')..I hope someone comes forward in the next couple of years...


Gore is being methodically rehabilitated as a potential candidate again. Don't count him out. If Nixon could be resurrected from the low he sank to, anybody can be.
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby lutherquick » Fri 26 May 2006, 14:33:37

Jack,

Well, I voted for bush the 1st time, but I did not the 2nd time.
I'm 41, and for 20 years I would vote republican across the board, no questions asked...

At this point, the last 6 years have been great in education and learning one I realized how wrong PNAC is and the liberal side as well...

My beaf is with US foriegn policy and hegemony.

Whoever the next leader will be of the US, it will not matter, foreign policy will point at Russia, for example, and compain that Russia has all that American oil and gas.

"It's the economy, stupid". All this fighting and distorted foriegn policy is an effort to push commodities and goods and wealth around and around and where ever it piles up, those people have the higher standard of living...

Debt doesn't matter as bankruptcy or liquidity can be an option.

However, the near future is changing this swilling of global wealth, the near future will prove that wealth will pile up near sources of energy and governments that re-invest that wealth back into the public infrastructure... and it will succeed best in societies that are highly educated and work hard.

That's way I stand here and look at Russia and it's people and believe they are going to rule peacefully (their turf and resources) and if anyone tries to annex one thing, a future Putin will protect successfully. Thank goodness Russia has nukes or America would realy be innovative with it's forigen policy delusions.
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby Zardoz » Fri 26 May 2006, 20:14:42

The Gazprom nation

Whatever the results of the EU-Russia summit this Thursday in the Black Sea resort of Sochi, there seems to be one clear winner: the Gazprom nation - Russia.

I think that's a safe bet...
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Re: "Putin faces energy shootout"? I don't think

Unread postby Zardoz » Sun 28 May 2006, 13:18:24

RUSSIA, EUROPE DRAW BATTLE LINES IN THEIR DISPUTE OVER ENERGY

Moscow's defiant stance was particularly revealing in the wide-ranging interview that Putin's top aide, Igor Shuvalov, gave to Nezavisimaya gazeta on May 23. In his remarks, the Kremlin official was extremely blunt about how the Russian leadership sees the energy relationship with Europe.

His main message was as follows: for the foreseeable future, European countries have no other viable alternative energy source but Russian hydrocarbons. Indeed, according some estimates, by 2030, more than 60% of EU gas imports are expected to come from Russia.

Shuvalov stated that Russia is ready to supply Europe with oil and gas on a long-term basis, adding that the Kremlin would like to play the leadership role in the relationship. Meanwhile, he continued, Russian energy companies would develop their business overseas. "We will be expanding further, whether our European partners like it or not," he argued.


In other words: "Take it or leave it." Gosh, what a shock!
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Putin takes swipe at Cheney over criticisms

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 10:19:32

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Re: Putin takes swipe at Cheney over criticisms

Unread postby NEOPO » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 10:31:44

Yeah but Putin made it personal ;-)
Will the world moderators move this one to the HOF?

We all know what USA has been upto for many years.
I like Putin!!
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Re: Putin takes swipe at Cheney over criticisms

Unread postby lutherquick » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 11:55:05

Putin has delivered...
He's doing a fantastic job...
Cheney simply can't deal with it.
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Re: Putin takes swipe at Cheney over criticisms

Unread postby TITAN » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 13:33:40

Only in today's WAY overly political correct tradition could a news source get away with calling this "lashing out". How rediculously overstated can you be? Putin simply replied, in a manner full of wit, to cheney's OPINION on how Russia is acting...Perfectly acceptable behavior on Putin's part...
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Re: Putin takes swipe at Cheney over criticisms

Unread postby XOVERX » Wed 12 Jul 2006, 13:59:42

Talk about anti-climactic, Putin's comment was actually pretty tame.

And the conclusion?:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')hey say [Putin] has closed media outlets, crushed independent businessmen, tamed the judiciary and shackled opposition parties and politicians.


Each and every one of these criticisms of Russia apply equally to what the neocons are doing in America right this very minute:

* Is there really any diffence between Fox, Cnn, Msnbc? Only in degree, and all are basically right-wing apologist outlets, with Fox being a full-scale propanganda arm of the so-called Republican party.

* Unrestrained corporate captalism has destroyed more small businesses than can be counted. When Wal-Mart comes into to town, large numbers of local businesses die. Whole sectors of small business capitalism is on the ropes in America. Hell, is it any wonder a "good" American job these days is managing Red Lobster?

* Roberts on the Supreme Court? The reactionary Alito? Talk about a tamed judiciary (not to mention Congress).

* The opposition political party has not been completely muted yet, but the neocon news outlets quite effectively muffle the message. The neocon "news media" glorify hate broadcasters like Ann Coulter, while marginalizing all dissenting voices.

And we're not even talking about such freedom busters as the "Patriot Act" (now there's a contradiction in terms), governmental eavesdropping on American citizens with no probable cause or warrants, and centralization of all power into the hands of the executive with the excuse of "forever warfare".

Even the Texas Republican Ron Paul has recently stated that America is currently experiencing "soft fascism" and that Bush has "violated the Constitution."

Pot calling the kettle black?
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