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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby rwwff » Wed 10 May 2006, 10:20:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NeoPeasant', '[')url=http://today.reuters.com/News/newsArticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-05-10T115359Z_01_L10101546_RTRUKOT_0_TEXT0.xml&WTmodLoc=NewsArt-L1-RelatedNews-1]Putin wants to pay mothers for more children[/url]
Terrific, just what we need - a population contest.
In nazi germany they gave out medals to good breeders.


Why are we ragging on Putin for doing what we've been doing for a while now. What do yall think the Child Tax Credit is anyway?
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby Zardoz » Wed 10 May 2006, 10:21:42

We don't have any such problem here, though:

Minorities fueling new baby boom
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Wed 10 May 2006, 10:21:45

Well, I think Russians happen to be a higher than average quality of people, and there population is falling precipitously. If they don't breed, the Chinese will take big chunks of Siberia from them.

Now the Chinese are smart people and all, but there's already a billion + of them. In the interest of Human Biodiversity, I think the Russians should start breeding a lot to recover their population.

And really, the world has messed with Russia. The Jewish plutocrats based in the USA caused the Bolshevik revolution of 1917, resulting in the murder of at least 40 million Slavic Christians. The Slavic population has never recovered from the Jewish World Wars or from the Jewish Communist Holocaust.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby foslrock » Wed 10 May 2006, 10:24:22

Maybe we should promote shipping Brittany Spears and Federlein there. They seem to have this mass breeding thing down.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Wed 10 May 2006, 10:39:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'W')e don't have any such problem here, though:

Minorities fueling new baby boom


And that's the most undesirable sort of baby boom imaginable. This country is going to be just another Third World mess, like the formerly civilized countries of Rhodesia and South Africa.

Biology makes countries -- not borders, or language or culture, only genetics.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby Heineken » Wed 10 May 2006, 11:23:30

The Russians have one of the worst environmental records on earth. They've permanently damaged vast areas of their country. For all their talk about beloved Mother Russia, they treat her like a cheap tart. So this call for more babies comes as no surprise.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby holmes » Wed 10 May 2006, 11:29:04

The only reason for the incessent need to have more is becuase of the socialist, globalists neo classical economic paradigm depends on a constant flow of human biomass/slaves. That is all. Its not becuase WE need them. Or the earth needs them. Its becuase the neo classical economic/socialist cult members NEED them.
Its like the world is burning and the streets are full of blood and treachery but the system needs more corpses to pile on top of the walking dead.

Its a scam. A ponzi scheme.
The global "dream" is the earths and OUR nightmare.
Thsi form of capitalism is a death cult.

WE need more people so putin and all the lords can have monstrous amounts of slaves and capital.
Fuck this sytem and fuck having more corpses.
weirdo cult masonic shit running the world.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby Dukat_Reloaded » Wed 10 May 2006, 11:30:32

Gee, I didn't think the immigration problem in USA was that bad. Mexicans may be taking over the USA much like Muslims are taking over many European countries including USA. I remember an Author who talked about this very issue at FSN. Very concerning, here's a link.

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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby foodnotlawns » Wed 10 May 2006, 11:35:41

The Jewish created Soviet empire ruined the environment.

The Jews took power, Stalin got rid of a lot of them in the 30's and 40's, but the original Tsarist leadership was murdered in the teens and 20's. The "working class" ruled the period of Soviet "national communism" from the 50's to 1989 because the native leadership had been beheaded.

The Jewish strategy is to behead the organic leadership and replace it with themselves. It takes a long time to recover from that, even after you do get rid of the Jews.

This happened in America, too. We had good potential leaders like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford, Theodore Bilbo, Paul Findlay, and William Fulbright -- see the wiki for Fulbright here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._William_Fulbright

Further, Fulbright was an outspoken critic of the organized pro-Israel community in the US, and was in turn labelled "consistently unkind to Israel and our supporters in this country" in 1974 by the ADL, the leading Jewish defense organization.

You can't talk about the Slavic people without understanding the history that still haunts them. The Jews messed them up bad. I've lived in Russia, I speak Russian, and I found out about all this WHILE IN RUSSIA FROM RUSSIAN PEOPLE. I read newspapers like Zavtra and talked to babushkas on Red Square. I heard it first hand, and this is the TRUTH with a Capital T.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby IslandCrow » Wed 10 May 2006, 11:43:27

It looks like the beginning of a die-off :shock:

Some yearly figures for the Russian population:

2000 145,2 million
2004 144,1 million
2005 143,0 million

and estimates:

2025 130,2 million
2050 110,5 million

Maybe Russian would be the place to be when the SHTF. You know lots of oil reserves, lots of land including forests, and the population die-off already well under way. :wink:

One big fear here after the Soviet Union collapsed was that there would be a large scale social collapse and starvation resulting in millions of Russians trying to get to the West to survive. I know people who were worried that Finland would have to deal with more refugees than the current population of this country.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby Falconoffury » Wed 10 May 2006, 12:13:41

*applause*

Well said, holmes! The last thing we need are more little brats running around.

Powering down is the only way to transition to a post peak oil world, and powering down includes less people on the planet.

Whatever happens, expect less total energy to be available to the typical first world citizen.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby holmes » Wed 10 May 2006, 12:24:07

History has shown that for quality of life and TRUE freedom the population of the US needs to be at around 90 million to 100 million MAX.
over that the biomass loads grow to great and stress develops.

Dukat, Interesting read.
its not just the mexicans its the Russians, moslems, 3rd world catholic cult members, etc... They bring cultures that are evil. The mexican men have very little respect for the women. Throw out the womens sufferage gains, etc..
The whore has been penetrated, the door is wide open and its all down hill from here.
One can pray to God and live in a fantasy land with the last ounces of wealth supporting the thin shoddy built walls surrounding your mcmansion but reality will be harsh.

I watched this Liberian Civil war on discovery times station last night. excellent piece. Liberia used to be a huge hub for the neo classical economic American capitalism. For all that infinite growth and wealth in the past what does liberia have now? Nothing. The system is only good for a short period of time. Once the resources are stripped and the poeple raped of all human qualities ITs over. There needs to be different system. an ecological paradigm.
Liberia is burned out. the system and America failed them. The sytem is failing us each day.

Liberia is an excellent example of where this infinite growth cult leads. TO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Zilch. A ponzi scam. FCK em.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby holmes » Wed 10 May 2006, 12:28:23

Amen Falcon! Im with u all the way. Ecological Paradigm. small communitiies based on thermal mass, hydro, solar, and wind. With lust kept in check. Love is needed. Not lust and primitive urges.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby Heineken » Wed 10 May 2006, 17:48:52

Yup. Economic growthism requires an endlessly growing population. Business, the corporate media, religions, governments, and most other institutions have worked with slavish devotion to spread the message that a growing population is something to celebrate and encourage. Feeds the bottom line.
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Putin: Lost in translation

Unread postby lutherquick » Wed 10 May 2006, 17:52:16

If you go to the Kremlin web site and look at his speech made today (translated into English):
http://www.kremlin.ru/eng/text/speeches ... 5566.shtml

Search for "their home – their fortress" and read it...
What Putin is saying is that America has built her fortress, and Putin indicates that this is good, and gives a compliment, that in fact, it is a job well done. He eludes that he wants the same for Russia and this is his goal.

Yet if you read the media stories, they make it sound like Putin is sarcastic or angry or thumbing his nose...

This is what gets me with the issue of peak oil and the way the western media and governments play on things.

Americans really don't know what's going on in the world and have no clue about reality or where other countries (and people) stand. Americans hear what they want to hear, period. And as far as Americans are concerned, peak oil isn't real, Russians are still Stalinist sitting on American oil and gas, and exponential growth will keep going on forever.

Maybe the real reason America is so reactionary, so paranoid that "others" are holding their energy resources, maybe it's because Americans know that the groupthink is fake... Americans walk around pointing at the positive, to be optimistic, to talk the fairy tale up, and to point at the light at the end of the tunnel... yet deep down Americans know that the light at the end of the tunnel is a train... and it's why they need to bullsh!t and distort everything...

American translators distorted this on purpose...
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby holmes » Wed 10 May 2006, 18:12:29

and thats ALL it does. Happiness, freedom and contentment does not grow with population. Quite the opposite. Twisted for sure.
Liberia really is an exccellent microcosm of what the entire cult shit-stem actually brings in the long run. NOTHING! yeehaw! all that rat race cannibalism and nothing to show except poverty and ruin. about 10% have something. The rest NOTHING! and when the energy really gets scarce then everyone will have nothing.
Its really called the nothing system.
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby No-Oil » Wed 10 May 2006, 18:36:17

Don't you find it refreshing to know that Davie Crocket, Jim Bowie & the other brave defenders of the Alamo died for a worth while cause !? Defending Texas & thus the US from the Mexican hoards !!!!!

Pity the country lost sight of that fact. Even more so when the man in charge, who swears as part of his oath of allegence "to defend the american constitution" then later referes to it "as only a piece of goddam paper". I find it strange that Clinton was nearly impeached for a blow job, where as Bush is still in office after such comments ! Which are a clear breach of his oath !!!

But they say the sheeple get the leadership they deserves & boy is that statement true at the moment.
The roller coaster is still climbing, but it's near the top now !
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby holmes » Wed 10 May 2006, 18:47:43

Its twisted, No O. twisted. Its the:

PONZI!
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Re: Putin: More babies, please

Unread postby rwwff » Wed 10 May 2006, 18:48:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('No-Oil', '.') I find it strange that Clinton was nearly impeached for a blow job, where as Bush is still in office after such comments ! Which are a clear breach of his oath !!!.


Clinton was impeached for lieing under oath. Bush has avoided that situation with supreme weasellike competence.

As to statements made in public and to the press, I didn't know it was against the law to lie in public or to the press. Far as I'm concerned, I find it entertaining...
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Re: Putin: Lost in translation

Unread postby DantesPeak » Wed 10 May 2006, 18:56:04

I agree that Putin's message was distorted - but he did throw in a fairy tale barb himself:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')We are aware what is going on in the world," he said. "Comrade wolf knows whom to eat, he eats without listening, and he's clearly not going to listen to anyone."

The wolf reference was a response to the "United States, its actions in Iraq and plans toward Iran, its games on the territory of the CIS (former Soviet territory) and its criticism of Russia," analyst Alexei Makarkin told Ekho Moskvy radio. Putin's speech came close to a week after Cheney accused Moscow of rolling back democracy and strong-arming its ex-Soviet neighbors.


http://english.pravda.ru/news/russia/10 ... 6-Cheney-0
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