[JoeCoal]

Can I interest you in some Crestor and/or some Lunesta?

I think it's pretty DAMN obvious that the industry invents disease..

[Vexed]

It doesn't surprise me that the drug companies are inventing diseases. Just watch tv. Every other commercial is for some Brave New Drug.

But it is has always been marketing's job to create new problems to sell new products.

Underarm smell? You need deoderant? Red eyes? You need eye drops? Scaley skin? You need special Peruvian Rainforst lotion. Can't get the chicks? You need the right cologne. Can't sleep? You haven't purchased the right sleep aid. Hyper kid? You and the kid both need prescription medicine to calm you. And on and on and on.....

There is an awful lot of money to be made in convincing and keeping people worried and/or sick.

Always has been.

[Jellric]

Funny how things often don't really get "discovered" until the commercial aspects of that discovery have been worked out.

And when a new drug causes side effects they simply prescribe yet another drug to nip that in the bud. And so on..

Medicine also tends to treat the body as parts rather than as a system.
They find a drug that affects one part of the body positively while minimizing its effects on other parts of the body. They also play a lot of games with statistics to make their products seem better than they really are.

BTW, I would never let them put me on a cholesterol-lowering drug (statins).
Check out the following if you want to learn why:

The Hidden Origin of Statin Drugs:
http://www.consumerhealthdigest.com/statindrugs.htm

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')They also play a lot of games with statistics to make their products seem better than they really are.

[ThunderChunky]

I agree they are greedy bastards, but modern medicine is not an illusion.

[Clouseau2]

One word: "Halitosis"

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ThunderChunky', 'I') agree they are greedy bastards, but modern medicine is not an illusion.

[kevincarter]

I wouldn't be surprised they even spread some mild diseases like common cold.

[Jellric]

Hospitals are responsible for antiobiotic-resistent "superbugs" and staph infections which are killing many patients.

[ozkrenske]

Ummmm, Last years nobel prize for medicine went to two Aussie scientists who ignored everything that the drug companies and their 'trials' had been saying for twenty years. They noticed that almost 90% of stomach ulcer patients had a certain bacteria surviving in their stomachs. Their Curiosity got them to ask the question 'Could the bacteria be creating the ulcers'. All the pharmaceautical evidence said was no, the ulcers allow the bacteria to live not the opposite. some research even said the bacteria was in the stomach after beng carried there by blood leaking through the ulcer. Turns out all the Pharma companies were talking Bullshit.

One of the two took a sample of the bacteria and swallowed it, after a few weeks he started to develop ulcers. He then took a series of anti bacterials designed to stay in the stomach for longer than normal. The result was the elimination of the Bacteria and several weeks later the natural repair of the ulcers.

So most of the worlds pharmaceutical companies were profitting for the last fifty years from the non treatment of ulcers with antibiotics. I am still awaiting the striking off of doctors, scientists etc who worked for the companies during the initial research. Investigations into corporate conspiracy should be carried out, with possible further investigations of several hundred thousand murders and wrongful deaths if such conspiracy to hide research is proven.

It's crap like this that get's people to doubt the information and research done by good scientists.

[JustinFrankl]

The Nobel Prize may have been awarded to these scientists for their discovery and proof, but the suspicion of Heliobacter pylori being involved as the cause of ulcers was already common enough that gastroenterologists had lab tests for H. pylori antibodies since at least 2003. The lab test was common enough in '03 that it was a preprinted option on diagnostic forms. (I went to the doctor at the time because I suspected I had ulcers, my antibody test was negative, and they put a scope down my throat to see that I, in fact, had no stomach ulcers, that was fun.)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t's crap like this that get's people to doubt the information and research done by good scientists.

[bobcousins]

How is this related to Peak Oil?

[J-Rod]

I was thinking the same thing Bob. Not exactly current either. I am sure a mod will move this to open at some point.

[o2ny]

Maybe the same mod who created the thread?

[uNkNowN ElEmEnt]

Yuck, Yuck, Yuck. thanks for pointing that out. I sometimes forget the rules between web sites and that current events here are only oil events.

[Falconoffury]

Does the responsibility to the shareholders override the responsibility to the people taking product? If so, it sounds wrong in the case of any health related or food company.

How can anyone trust doctors who profit when they prescribe drugs? They should be making the most money when people are cured and don't need to take anything. It seems like the basic function of health care is flipped backwards because of capitalism.

[Dreamtwister]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'H')ow can anyone trust doctors who profit when they prescribe drugs? They should be making the most money when people are cured and don't need to take anything. It seems like the basic function of health care is flipped backwards because of capitalism.

[Schweinshaxe]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'H')ow is this related to Peak Oil?

[Falconoffury]

Dreamtwister, what you are describing could be called an Axis of Evil.

Even if you take the insurance agents and lawyers out of the picture, health care is still fundamentally flawed because it's a for profit industry. The most money is made when people are kept sick, or made more sick. At least this crap will be gone with the rest of civilization. People can focus back on nutrition and natural sources for medicine.

[Vexed]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('bobcousins', 'H')ow is this related to Peak Oil?