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Re: The Lunatic Drug

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 08 Feb 2007, 18:38:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')odium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas.


Yeah ok. Flouride is bad, but have you heard about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide?link
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Re: The Lunatic Drug

Unread postby MD » Thu 08 Feb 2007, 19:04:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')odium fluoride, a hazardous-waste by-product from the manufacture of aluminum, is a common ingredient in rat and cockroach poisons, anesthetics, hypnotics, psychiatric drugs, and military nerve gas.


Yeah ok. Flouride is bad, but have you heard about the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide?link


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Re: The Lunatic Drug

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Thu 08 Feb 2007, 20:32:45

I snorted two lines of hydrocodone for the first time today.
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Re: The Lunatic Drug

Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 08 Feb 2007, 20:40:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'I') snorted two lines of hydrocodone for the first time today.
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But did you drink any fluorinated tap water afterwards?

If so, may I suggest calling the Poison Control Center?

This flourine in the drinking water stuff is most likely overblown.

But just to be safe I only drink, bath in, brush my teeth with, and cook with Fresca.

My soups taste a little funky, but it's better than the harmful effects of fluorinated water. :roll:
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Re: The Lunatic Drug

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 08 Feb 2007, 21:16:56

To me the thing is...fluoride is a drug. If you are a child and have developing teeth and need flouride, then I think you should take the healthy teeth drug. What gets me is that A: putting it in tap water means completely random dosing. Some folks get a lot. Some barely get any. B: It ends up lots of places it doesn't need to be - On the lawn, in the toilet, in the shower, in your grandmother, etc.
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Re: The Lunatic Drug

Unread postby cynicalheretic » Thu 08 Feb 2007, 21:31:38

Every so many years they come up with some other pile of crap about how something is now bad for you and that they now have so new miracle fucking drug. 20 years later... oh no that new drug gives you and take your pick: cancer/gingivitis/rectal leakage/blindness
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Re: Peak of Pharmaceutical Discoveries Coming Soon?

Unread postby EnergyHog » Tue 13 Mar 2007, 13:53:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eerae', 'I') am one of the people who are being cut. They are closing the entire Ann Arbor site where I work. When I got my biochem degree in 2000, I thought I would have a very secure career, and my wife was able to stay at home. Now, I don't know what to do. I was born and raised here and really don't want to leave the area, but there is very little left in Michigan for the skills that I have.

I think many of the easy drug targets have already been found, and the rest of them will probably be harder. The new direction will be biologics, as they are very specific, such as antibodies, but these are more difficult to produce. I do think drugs can only do so much. Other diseases, such as cancer, alzheimers, and obesity (if you can call that a disease) are much more complicated. They may be managed, but I think the public is expecting too much if they think a drug will come out that will "cure" them of these diseases.

It is pretty common knowledge that lifestyle is a huge factor in many of this country's diseases, but people would rather spend huge sums on health care and take a pill than exercise and eat right. It is not the drug companies' responsibility to get people to change their behavior.

Yes, there are treatments for all kinds of seemingly "trivial" ailments like restless legs syndrome, but this country is built on choice. You have the right to choose to accept or deny treatment for any condition you like, and the majority of people choose to treat it if there is something available that helps. Don't blame the drug companies for simply offering that choice.

As far as myself, I am not sure of the future. I don't know if I should go back to school, relocate to another drug company, or just find any old job I can find around here. I don't think there is much job security in most jobs anymore. Some of the things I did to prepare for peak oil was move from Illinois where I worked for 4 years back to my home state of Michigan so I am not stranded from my family when TSHTF. I bought a house where I could ride a bike to work, and was paying off debt. All in preparation for peak oil that I still am not sure is long-term or short-term. However, now I have an immediate short-term problem that I wasn't even anticipating, and I have to worry about providing for my family in the pre-peak world. Increasingly, the way this country is going I am thinking we won't necessarily call it peak oil, but a number of factors will lead to the downfall of this country in many industries simultaneously, and it will be slow and painful.


Slow and painful indeed.

I live in Ann Arbor and work in the auto industry, slow and painful is the name of the game from here on out.

I liken it to musical chairs.

I too have considered moving but I would rather be broke and living near all of my resources (friends, family, etc.) than living somewhere else.

The rest of the country is about to feel the pain so moving would truly be a very short term fix in my opinion.

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Re: Peak of Pharmaceutical Discoveries Coming Soon?

Unread postby Falconoffury » Tue 13 Mar 2007, 15:56:22

I have read several books about the pharma industry, and they lead me to believe that pharma is the most corrupt industry today. Even worse than big oil. They are even trying to ban organic food.

On a side note, I work for a company that builds homes, and I pretty much know my job won't last long. I wonder how computer repair will fare over the next few years. I used to freelance computer repair, and I might have to do that again.
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Re: Peak of Pharmaceutical Discoveries Coming Soon?

Unread postby MacG » Tue 13 Mar 2007, 16:01:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'I') have read several books about the pharma industry, and they lead me to believe that pharma is the most corrupt industry today. Even worse than big oil. They are even trying to ban organic food.

On a side note, I work for a company that builds homes, and I pretty much know my job won't last long. I wonder how computer repair will fare over the next few years. I used to freelance computer repair, and I might have to do that again.


I have pimped for Big Pharma, and boy are they corrupt! I think that the guys in the arms industry beat them though, not to talk about SAIC.

And the peak in pharma discoveries was sometimes in the 60's. It's been downhill from there, and we will probably see the giants go down in the years to come.
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The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby dukey » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 13:34:45

[flash width=400 height=326]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-3609599239524875493&hl=e[/flash]
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby NEOPO » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 15:33:14

This should open some eyes yet not mine as they were opened long ago.

I was going down this road as a child and the Doctors were really drugging me with phenabarbitol, dilantin etc etc until I found Marijauna that is and then I started self medicating and stopped taking their poison.

This is such a shame, all I know is that they will not have their way with my children. Maybe since we are planning to live a different kind of life we nor our children will need anything but life.
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby lotrfan55345 » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 15:45:42

They say Ritalin/Amphetamine variants make you feel "tired".
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby dukey » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 19:23:49

quite scary how they talk about the fact the kids that do the school shootings are ALWAYS on these drugs ....
pretty sad

It's like they are being forced upon kids. That poor woman actually had to kid nap her own child and flee to canada lol.
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby firestarter » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 19:42:52

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I think it's time for the young ones at this site to acquaint themselves with Nicholson's, "One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest". The real mad men are those licensed nitwits distributing the noxious treatments. Some mighty bad people, these mental health Mengeles. Avoid them like the plague.
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby basil_hayden » Fri 20 Apr 2007, 19:47:29

What's this got to do with hydrocarbon depletion?
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby Newsseeker » Sat 21 Apr 2007, 08:30:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'T')his should open some eyes yet not mine as they were opened long ago.

I was going down this road as a child and the Doctors were really drugging me with phenabarbitol, dilantin etc etc until I found Marijauna that is and then I started self medicating and stopped taking their poison.

This is such a shame, all I know is that they will not have their way with my children. Maybe since we are planning to live a different kind of life we nor our children will need anything but life.


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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby dukey » Sat 21 Apr 2007, 12:01:13

[flash width=400 height=326]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-2502546838698762400&hl=en[/flash]

another great documentary by the same guy
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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby Specop_007 » Sat 21 Apr 2007, 16:17:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'T')his should open some eyes yet not mine as they were opened long ago.

I was going down this road as a child and the Doctors were really drugging me with phenabarbitol, dilantin etc etc until I found Marijauna that is and then I started self medicating and stopped taking their poison.

This is such a shame, all I know is that they will not have their way with my children. Maybe since we are planning to live a different kind of life we nor our children will need anything but life.


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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby The_Toecutter » Sat 21 Apr 2007, 23:45:10

Meds are drugs, and the doctors that push them merely government approved drug dealers.

Marijuana is a highly beneficial antidepressant with few to no side effects aside from 2-3 hours intoxication after use. A shame our government keeps it outlawed. A lot of industries would lose revenue if we had ready access to it; big government and big business don't want to compromise that consumer spending and resultant growth.

The cannabis plant is even a viable alternative fuel:

Hempseed oil car at Ohio County Fair

Hempseed oil car in Washington D.C.

Hemp can make the equivalent of 10-15 barrels of oil per acre

Henry Ford's hemp-bodied Ford Model A

Hemp Oil fuelled chainsaw

You can make biodiesel and methanol out of industrial hemp(same species of plant as marijuana, but technically not marijuana itself. Our government still treats its cultivation as if it really were the female marijuana plant that can create intoxication.).

Industrial hemp is an excellent source of biofuels since it needs no fertilizer or pesticide inputs, and often leaves the soil in better condition than when it was originally planted. EROEI on par with sugarcane ethanol(> 2, usually 4-6). 1 hectare yields roughly 300 gallons of hemp oil per harvest, plus other parts of the plant for fabric and methanol.

It is really about the most viable source of plant-based biofuel we have. So why aren't we using it?

Back in the 1930s, DuPont had patented nylon. Hemp was proving itself a threat in the manufacture of textiles. William Randolph Hearst had heavily invested in timber, wheras hemp yielded four times more biomass per unit of land and could be renewed each year. Having no money, farmers began using it to run diesel tractors during the depression, without having to give the oil companies like Standard Oil one damn dime. People began smoking it for medicinal and recreational purposes, the former of which would normally be taken care of by prescription medications regulated by the government and monopolized by the pharmaceuticals. Henry Ford and other entrepreneurs had proven its worth in the automotive industry, building experimental cars that had hemp fabric interiors and hemp body panels which were 10 times more dent resistant than steel and rust free; this had the steel industry scared. Cotton argribusinesses understood well that their days were numbered, hemp being cheaper to produce, but also less profitable since it was so durable.

So what happens? DuPont, Standard Oil, Hearst, various agribusiness industries, the steel industry, the pharmaceutical companies of the time, all pooled in their resources to lobby politicians to get the cannabis plant outlawed. A few yellow journalism campaigns and bought politicians later, we have a war on drugs, to the expense of many of our cherished civil liberties, all to get that economy growing out of the depression by keeping more expensive and profitable conventional sources the only ones available.



Realistically, hemp could account for about 15% or so of today's oil consumption, and do so with positive net EROEI. It could make seed oil at the equivalent of $.60/gallon.

No, this won't account for a post peak decline, but when you couple the possibility of 80+ mpg diesel midsized cars by addressing aerodynamics and using composites to reduce weight, that 10-15% will go a very long way.


BUT, it interferes with big business by saving the consumer money. So just like long electric cars, electric trollies, high speed electric rail, wind energy, and the like, hemp too is suppressed.



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Re: The Drugging of our Children

Unread postby vision-master » Sun 22 Apr 2007, 00:06:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'T')his should open some eyes yet not mine as they were opened long ago.

I was going down this road as a child and the Doctors were really drugging me with phenabarbitol, dilantin etc etc until I found Marijauna that is and then I started self medicating and stopped taking their poison.

This is such a shame, all I know is that they will not have their way with my children. Maybe since we are planning to live a different kind of life we nor our children will need anything but life.


Yup, Marijauna the forbidden medicine. If only more people really knew what a great drug it is.
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