[baldwincng]

The world is awash with natural gas, no sign of any shortage other than were planning prevents imports, eg US. in the same way there is a shortage of nuclear power in US, but not in France.

Do a google search on LNG and you will see that the world is full of it.

There is going to be a HUGE oversupply in UK by 2007 as a result of 3 new LNG importation projects + 3 new big pipeline projects. UK will have 50% more supply than it needs - big problem for energy efficiency as prices expected to tumble. Take a look at

http://www.dti.gov.uk/energy/publicatio ... report.pdf

Natural gas is still being made - everytime you mow the lawn, go to the loo, put out potato peelings, die - all this will decay into natural gas (which is 20 times worse than CO2 as global warming). Capture this, save the planet, put off natural gas shortage, maybe for 100 years (time to do something else for energy - eg nuclear).

Do a google search on bio-gas + Sweden, again lots going on.

Home-fill is a great idea (compared to electric or h2) as it has MUCH LOWER well to wheel emissions. However, you can't beat CNG filling stations - Germany has built 675 in last 3 years, new GM Zafira on CNG to be launched Q1 2006 will be great, as is the new Mercedes E Class on CNG.

By the way, CNG also a great way of storing night time electricity as you fill at night on cheap elec. Cheaper than a battery or h2!!!!

There are now 1 million cng cars in Brazil and Argentina, all Delhi public transport on CNG, all 18000 Beijing buses to be CNG by 2008 olympics.

Countries in the Middle East are switching the fuel for vehicle transportation from petroleum to natural gas.

CNG is very easy to do, solves air quality problems (as in Iran), no need to build refineries to make petrol/diesel to serve growing populations. In addition, producing more natural gas brings with it more condensate which has no OPEC quota. And, of course, not wasting valuable petroleum to run cars, buses and trucks means that even oil can be exported! No downsides at all. All cars, buses, trucks can run merrily on natural gas, no technical issues at all. Low emissions on NOX and particulates, 25 % lower CO2 than gasoline.

In 20 years time, Iran will have clean, almost free energy for transportation.....US may be on fuel cells but the hydrogen will be made, you guessed it, from Middle East oil and gas!

Middle East countries are using a fraction of the hundreds of billions of dollars of extra income they are gaining from >$50/bbl oil to fund the development of fuel cells to maintain the US dependence on the fossil fuels found within 500 miles of Mecca! Must be the best strategic thinking coming from that part of the world since Alexander the Great.

Keep oil for a valuable use, do not waste it on vehicle transportation.

To see how real hydrogen is go to:

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2005/10 ... cks_c.html

A company called Ballard has messed about for years with fuel cells, check out that share price!

Whilst on Greencar congress, take a look at CNG, loads of stuff on there.

[Starvid]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('omo', 'H')ello friends!

Forgive me if my thoughts are a little lame as I'm new to this whole Peak Oil subject.

I believe I'm seeing some signs of, in my opinion, positive changes here in Europe. I'm not sure what plans our governments have for long term developement, but I tend to think that in general we heading in the right direction and what comes out of it could make our future brighter then some of you predict.

I'm talking nuclear. Here, in Finland, we are building a new nuclear power station. Sweds are pushing for fight against energy crisis. There are serious talks of building nuclear plants in the Baltic states. We already have highly developed and advanced public transport infrastructure here in Scandinavia and in Europe in gerneral and I believe we are going to shift more and more into using electrical power - trams, underground networks, electricity powered trains, heating, etc. Taking into account use of a highly advanced communication technologies I think we have very good chances to go through the peak and post peak periods a lot smoother then some of us might think. My thinking is that the less oil/gas we use the more time we have to udjust our technlogies, economics and politics for the new era. The rest of Europe is watching and will probably follow if the whole thing works as I tend to think it will and our oil consumption drops substantialy in some areas.

Thank you for the oprotunity to express my view.

[karina]

European seemed to move out of their anti-nuclear policies.

Europe: A declaration stating that nuclear energy should play an increasingly central role in the global fight against climate change has been signed by 25 Members of the European Parliament (MEPs). The declaration calls for EU leaders to recognise nuclear's contribution in reducing CO2 emissions, and calls on politicians and decision-makers to back investment in low carbon energy technologies, including nuclear power. The declaration also argues that nuclear energy's role in combating climate change should not be singled out because of purely ideological or political beliefs. (EUPolitix.com, 19 October; Nuclear Market Review, 21 October)

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('karina', 'E')uropean seemed to move out of their anti-nuclear policies.

Europe: A declaration stating that nuclear energy should play an increasingly central role in the global fight against climate change has been signed by 25 Members of the European Parliament (MEPs).

[Devil]

http://world.honda.com/news/2005/c051219.html

This may be interesting, although the projected production is but a drop in the ocean.

Gallium and indium are horrendously expensive, selenium is very toxic. I'd like to see projected production costing figures.

[mekrob]

Sorry, there's already a thread on this.

[Slowpoke]

Devil, you forgot the fact that nearly all the copper is already earmarked for microprocessor manufacture and Chinese/Indian buildings electrical wiring.

[foodnotlawns]

I want a sailboat with photovoltaic sails!

[basil_hayden]

I want a sphere of this stuff in orbit that we can detonate fusion bombs in and collect a portion of the energy to send back to earth, like a mini Dyson sphere, at least until we figure out fusion plants.

I'm not sure what the point of producing these new fangled PV cells, the long term environmental impact will clearly outweigh the short term energy impact.

Why can't they just build a solar-powered plant to build silicon solar cells?
Wouldn't that improve the mythical EROEI?

[SolarDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'I') want a sphere of this stuff in orbit that we can detonate fusion bombs in and collect a portion of the energy to send back to earth, like a mini Dyson sphere, at least until we figure out fusion plants.

I'm not sure what the point of producing these new fangled PV cells, the long term environmental impact will clearly outweigh the short term energy impact.

Why can't they just build a solar-powered plant to build silicon solar cells?
Wouldn't that improve the mythical EROEI?

[gnm]

And did they mine, process and grow thier own silcon crystal ingots there with solar power?
How about the Aluminum for the module frames. Or the glass...

I seriously doubt it.

-G

[SolarDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'A')nd did they mine, process and grow thier own silcon crystal ingots there with solar power?
How about the Aluminum for the module frames. Or the glass...

I seriously doubt it.

-G

[Seadragon]

Interesting link...

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devil', 'h')ttp://world.honda.com/news/2005/c051219.html

This may be interesting, although the projected production is but a drop in the ocean.

Gallium and indium are horrendously expensive, selenium is very toxic. I'd like to see projected production costing figures.

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Slowpoke', '[')b]Devil, you forgot the fact that nearly all the copper is already earmarked for microprocessor manufacture and Chinese/Indian buildings electrical wiring.

[clv101]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devil', 'h')ttp://world.honda.com/news/2005/c051219.html

This may be interesting, although the projected production is but a drop in the ocean.

Gallium and indium are horrendously expensive, selenium is very toxic. I'd like to see projected production costing figures.

[Devil]

I would be very surprised if 64 bit CPUs were made from gallium as the hole mobility is lower than that of silicon. OTOH, gallium arsenide is the main semiconductor for a host of applications, exclusively because its electron mobility is nearly 6 times faster. This makes it ideal for many photo-electric applications, also the Gunn diode which makes very low-cost oscillators in the GHz range possible, hence they are widely used in mobile telephony. Certainly, it is probable that 95%++ of gallium is used in the semiconductor industry, but there is a world of difference between a 50 cents LED using a tiny piece 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.05 mm, weighing in the µg range, or smaller, and even as just a dopant for copper-selenide PV cells covering many m².

[EnergySpin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Devil', 'I') would be very surprised if 64 bit CPUs were made from gallium as the hole mobility is lower than that of silicon. OTOH, gallium arsenide is the main semiconductor for a host of applications, exclusively because its electron mobility is nearly 6 times faster. This makes it ideal for many photo-electric applications, also the Gunn diode which makes very low-cost oscillators in the GHz range possible, hence they are widely used in mobile telephony. Certainly, it is probable that 95%++ of gallium is used in the semiconductor industry, but there is a world of difference between a 50 cents LED using a tiny piece 0.8 x 0.8 x 0.05 mm, weighing in the µg range, or smaller, and even as just a dopant for copper-selenide PV cells covering many m².

[SolarDave]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergySpin', 'I')f anyone is interested in projected cost figures, check slide 29 of this presentation $2/W in 2020 (residential installations), $1.1 W (commercial systems).

[grabby]

Solar is ok, but there is a risk. look up PUMPED BELT and van allem and Electro magnetic burst"The solar panels will not function, after an EMburst. that is a lot of money to loose.

Small wound alternators with open circuits (not running at the time) will survive, and like water wheels or windmills if they are not operating at the time. There is a lot to read on it, but to put your retirement money into solar panels, this is a great risk.

Panels are maximally exposed to light and thus radiation. They are the highest risk kind of circuits.here is a little web site.

after the EMS burst test in atmosphere in 1964 , satellites were damaged until 1970. All died because of solar panel destruction. Military satellites are plutonium driven with no panels. Solar panels promptly and immediately degrade with a gigapulse bersut from What I understand.

If there is a conflict over oil (Ya think)

the nucular option that WILL be used is a high pulse since this doesnt KILL people and the attacking country could be sort of justified in doing it.

EMS pulse WILL happen. the question is what will survive it. Not slar panels.Gasoline generators runing on ethanol is a great way to get power for short spurts.you can make ethanl anywhere. sOme people may make it and the burn candles and drink it instead.


read this site it is an interesting one:

www.eisenhowerinstitute.org/programs/gl ... tnerships/ fos/newfrontier/Papadopoulos-presentation.pdf

this is the EISENHOWER INSTITUE

now yo tell me what they are up to spending money on these kind of tests,


Ya think?