[turmoil]

great response!! Which site is that from?

[holmes]

yep good old anwr. it is the last nail in the coffin. for sure. Unless this mega field under utah is ready to go. I have to say im doubtful. Ive seen the oil field maps of the US. Not much room for anything substantial. Not much area between them all. but maybe they found more that was connected to small one.

I like that math. It sure doesnt add up.

[PhilBiker]

Wait till we start drilling again off the California coast. There's a lot of oil out there.

[holmes]

ANWR is the last frontier. we will just be going through areas we already have explored and/or exploited. kind of like cleaning up the crumbs on the table. sure the off shore drilling will increase but we already have been there. Nothing new. the coastal drilling will be nice fillers for awhile.

[MonteQuest]

As early as next week, the final vote to decide the ultimate fate of the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and our coasts will be taking place in Congress.
Drilling proponents are using the Federal Budget bill as a smokescreen to advance their agenda. They snuck anticipated revenues from Arctic drilling into the Budget Resolution in order to circumvent the established voting process.
In addition, the House of Representatives is also being asked to end the 25 year-old moratorium on off-shore oil drilling from California to Maine.

[donshan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '-')quote is from another website, the following is my reply.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hall we do a little math? (all numbers for America only)
Current oil usage, 20 million barrels per day.
Current oil production, 7.8 million barrels per day.
Current oil imports, 12.2 million barrels per day.
Given 2% growth in oil consumption (slow by historical standards)
And 3% depletion (fairly generous by historical standards)
2010 (ANWR begins production, but no on the market yet)
Oil usage, 22.1 million barrels per day.
Oil production, 6.7 million barrels per day.
Oil imports, 15.4 million barrels per day.
2015 (ANWR is pumping full...somehow)
Oil usage, 24.4 million barrels per day.
Oil production, 6.75 million barrels per day
Oil imports, 17.65 million barrels per day
Oh yeah, those oil exporting countries will really "get the message".

[holmes]

I guess no powerin down. Well moderation is not one of our strong points.
Conservation is a facade. Phantom conservation. With overpopulation and add in exploitative capitalism there can be no conservation. Conservation is a joke hiding the real problems. Its a TV show. Plastic smiles.
are the people even in on these overwrites. Or are the big fat cats and lobyists and politicians running the show in a WE The people country? The people want it, sadly.

[VinceG]

[merged from Current events by MQ}
Today it was announced that the world can say goodbye to one of the last environmental treasures in the world...
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Senate insisted Thursday on opening up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge for drilling after being blocked by environmentalists for decades, then voted overwhelmingly to prohibit exporting any of the oil pumped from the region.
With a 51-48 vote, the Senate approved requiring the Interior Department to begin selling oil leases for the coastal plain of the Alaska refuge within two years.
(...) Bush, in Argentina for a two-day summit, hailed the vote.
"Increasing our domestic energy supply will help lower gasoline prices and utility bills," he said in a statement. "We can and should produce more crude oil here at home in environmentally responsible ways. The most promising site for oil in America is a 2,000-acre site in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and thanks to technology, we can reach this energy with little impact on the land or wildlife." -->read more

This is very, very, very bad news . This will turn out as one of the most crucial mistakes in human history taken by a U.S. president. Instead of raising taxes on gasoline, conservation and start building more energy efficient vehicles like Europe, the U.S. administration decides to start drilling in a national wildlife refuge which is not worth the time, energy and controversy.
The U.S. biggest energy problem is not the lack of cheap oil, it is overconsumption of natural resources. To start drilling in Alaska is very short-sighted, bad for environment, not only in Alaska, but also in terms of overall pollution.
Bush has really done it this time

[UIUCstudent01]

It's a downer.
51-48? Geez... it's getting overshadowed by the whole Plamegate-Yellowcake thing which is SO 3 years ago! I was reading somewhat-true conspiracies about it way before the media even heard of Valerie Plame...
Anyways. I wonder if any environmental groups even had a chance to protest in their protest boxes (that are nicely hidden away from view and won't distract the sheeple... succesfully marginalizing and silencing the dissent... ).
So.. what's next? Yellowstone?
The chimera demands another sacrifice!
Give me your virgin lands!
Your clean water!
Your particulate-free air!
The monster must eat!

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'S')o.. what's next? Yellowstone?

[UIUCstudent01]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seldom_seen', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UIUCstudent01', 'S')o.. what's next? Yellowstone?

[Specop_007]

How is drilling in Alaska bad for the environment?

[jato]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')ow is drilling in Alaska bad for the environment?

[VinceG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')ow is drilling in Alaska bad for the environment?

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VinceG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'H')ow is drilling in Alaska bad for the environment?

[EnemyCombatant]

Specop, do you want to live next to oil drilling?

It's just common sense that this is not good for a pristine animal refuge. It doesn't take a debate or arguing back and forth.
No proof needs to be provided. Only people like yourself want some phony proof to assuage your conscience.

[frankthetank]

IS Amt of recoverable oil in this area even known? Do companies even want to drill up in that arctic freezer? I really don't have a problem drilling up there, if it goes to help the people in that area(instead of Mr. Ceo's wallet) and done in a responsible way (which i believe it will).
I don't see posts on drilling for oil in other countries in sensitive areas (which must be happening).
Open the spigot, i wouldn't mind seeing it emptied. By then we should be able to mine the moon for helium.

[Eli]

It is my understanding that the amount recoverable is not really known until you start drilling wells, and lots of them.

Big deal they are going to drill in ANWAR the world will not end because of it. Enviromentaly speaking going after the tars sands is going to do a lot more damage.

[dunewalker]

I agree that this is short-sighted leadership. What IS a glimmer of good news from it is this:

AP: "...Meanwhile, the Senate in an 86-13 vote, required that none of the oil from ANWR be exported. Otherwise "there is no assurance that even one drop of Alaskan oil will get to hurting Americans," said Sen. Ron Wyden (news, bio, voting record), D-Ore., a drilling opponent who nevertheless sponsored the no-export provision. He co-sponsored the amendment with Sen. Jim Talent (news, bio, voting record), R-Mo., who strongly supports drilling there."

This is unprecedented, that domestically-produced oil cannot be exported for maximum profit, rather than going toward US energy independence. The American public has continually been fed lies about "energy independence" while oil companies have been exporting crude for corporate profit. Ron Wyden deserves recognition for this move.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnemyCombatant', 'S')pecop, do you want to live next to oil drilling? It's just common sense that this is not good for a pristine animal refuge. It doesn't take a debate or arguing back and forth.
No proof needs to be provided. Only people like yourself want some phony proof to assuage your conscience.