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Well this is finally it: Time to go

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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby DamienJasper » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 12:14:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Doly', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'A')lso, I just don't think anyone's getting my point. This ain't no clinical depression. Just tell me how many times I have to say it to get that point accross.


How do you know it isn't clinical depression?

I can think of plenty of examples of people that actually LIVED through seriously tough times (lots of people in WWII, plenty of people who have lived through famines) and they didn't consider suicide. You just THINK about the future, and feel suicidal.

Are you still certain there's nothing wrong with the way your mind is working?

Take note of this, as well: you are talking with a bunch of people that also believe in PO, and you are the only one that is thinking of suicide. You still think you are being reasonable?


They may have had some kind of hope to cling to. I don't see really any hope. Like I said before, I think here that people assume that because they are "in the know" of PO that it will lend them some kind of clemency or lessen their pain. Don't seem to realize that they're not going to be Mad Max and that they will suffer horribly all the same. I don't even find half the responses in this thread to really even take the idea all that seriously.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Eli » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 12:41:45

DJ get some help.

Talk to your Mother.

Having experienced the loss of a family member do to suicide let me just say there is no way your family will ever understand your reasoning, not ever. Suicide is only painless for the dead the living will carry it with them through out the rest of their lives. Actually there is nothing that one could do that could make a close family member suffer more than for some one to kill them self. For your Mom and those closest to you it will be as if some one cut out a piece of their heart and their will be an emptiness where you once were. That emptiness will always be with them no matter what they do.

You need to quit thinking of yourself and focus on those around you.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby EdF » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 12:56:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'D')J get some help.

Talk to your Mother.

Having experienced the loss of a family member do to suicide let me just say there is no way your family will ever understand your reasoning, not ever. Suicide is only painless for the dead the living will carry it with them through out the rest of their lives. Actually there is nothing that one could do that could make a close family member suffer more than for some one to kill them self. For your Mom and those closest to you it will be as if some one cut out a piece of their heart and their will be an emptiness where you once were. That emptiness will always be with them no matter what they do.

You need to quit thinking of yourself and focus on those around you.


As I tried to say earlier in the thread, though more bluntly, I'm with Eli on this. It's a bad thing to do.

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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby holmes » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 13:43:48

Madpaddy, seldom, PMS, etcc.. are welcome to have a glass of wine or whiskey and a smoke anytime up here in my woods. We gots a crew here dammnit!
For the love of god DJ.
I take that back I dont want to beat u u poor sap (were all saps look at the state of the nation for crying out loud) you just need a couple good slaps across the face and a punch to the gut. then pulled to your feet and made to withstand the pain. Only a low life lout would off themsleves and create havoc in loved ones lives. You filthy fool. snap to. and put a shirt and shoes on and press your pants and shirt. and take that dog collor off. Someone could choke u to death with that thing.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby gnm » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 13:52:35

Don't be a selfish prick. What you think you're going to live forever in misery? At least stick around to take care of your parents when they are elderly. You got maybe 100 years to be here tops and eternity to be dead. Geez some people have no paitence.

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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby AmericanEmpire » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 13:52:37

I think people should at least wait around to see if the doomers are correct before offing themselves.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 14:29:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'I') think people should at least wait around to see if the doomers are correct before offing themselves.


No kidding. What if everything is generally not so bad?

That's a distinct possibility. Really it is.

DJ, you should look into intentional communities in your area, I bet there are some. A young person, even with no skills, is probably quite welcome at such a place. I know I would love to have a young person around here to help with the hard chores. But I'm a long way from Idaho.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby oowolf » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 17:31:11

When I was 19 my 18 year old girlfriend was killed in a car accident by someone swerving to miss a dog. I know a lot about existential despair, having considered suicide at the time. Instead I joined the army. The discipline was just what I needed and I got the opportunity to experience the fragile, somewhat pathetic miracle, of survival. The spring of 1968 was truly a dismal time; the murder of Dr. King, of Robert Kennedy, the Tet Offensive and a goddamn stupid senseless war, riots, etc. I learned how to savor the things that I deemed important and to see through the hype, hypocrisy, BS, of a species gone amuck and I learned how to find some measure of peace in a world that is essentially an extermination camp.

30 years in the mountains of Montana still haven't undone the wound of losing Karol, though. Life is somewhat like bittersweet chocolate.

Don't buy the hype. Don't sell yourself short. Don't let the bastards win.

Now here's someone with a REAL complaint:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/mustread/index.php?id=533

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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby killJOY » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 17:58:42

I LOVE my Effexor :-D


...and my Jim Beam. 8)
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 18:36:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I') LOVE my Effexor :-D




Woo! Me too! It may be the difference between life and...the other thing.... 8O
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby elroy » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 18:39:19

Say DJ, has anyone ever told you you're too pretty to be straight ?







p.s. if that didn't make you laugh, I dunno what would. It made me laugh when someone told me that.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Hiderow » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 20:31:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'N')ot sure I mentioned that I purged it from my mind somehow (good critics like Lynch or Hutter?) for about 4 months and had the best summer of my life. I worked at Salvation Army summer camp as a counselor and made friends from South America, England, Germany and Tonga. Lived in the woods of Oregon without a care or worry in the world and reached kids at the same time. Truly a great summer.

So don't assume I was locked in a room rocking back and forth all this time. I guess the Hurricanes and "no spare capacity" brought me back.

OK, that does it, your that kid in the pic & you are a counselor :cry: either your full of shit or america is worse than I imagined 8O
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby DamienJasper » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 22:29:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AmericanEmpire', 'I') think people should at least wait around to see if the doomers are correct before offing themselves.


No kidding. What if everything is generally not so bad?

That's a distinct possibility. Really it is.

DJ, you should look into intentional communities in your area, I bet there are some. A young person, even with no skills, is probably quite welcome at such a place. I know I would love to have a young person around here to help with the hard chores. But I'm a long way from Idaho.


"It's a distinct possibility. Reall it is." Okay, now we're getting somewhere. All you have to do is justify that statement to me with something other than "No one knows for sure". Say what you want about Savinar's Doomsday Scenarios being the opinion of but one person, they are the viewpoints that were presented by a Congressman no less.

If you could just justify your statement about that "distinct possibility" then I think I might be alright.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby DamienJasper » Thu 03 Nov 2005, 22:33:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hiderow', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', 'N')ot sure I mentioned that I purged it from my mind somehow (good critics like Lynch or Hutter?) for about 4 months and had the best summer of my life. I worked at Salvation Army summer camp as a counselor and made friends from South America, England, Germany and Tonga. Lived in the woods of Oregon without a care or worry in the world and reached kids at the same time. Truly a great summer.

So don't assume I was locked in a room rocking back and forth all this time. I guess the Hurricanes and "no spare capacity" brought me back.

OK, that does it, your that kid in the pic & you are a counselor :cry: either your full of shit or america is worse than I imagined 8O


Okay, I guess you didn't read the whole post. I was NOTHING like this during the summer. I was 180 Degrees a different person.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Comp_Lex » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 08:36:45

Allright, I'm going to ask a more direct question:

Do we have to disprove Peak Oil?
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Omnitir » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 10:20:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
')http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/

Please, spend sometime reading everything on that site.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', '
')To what purpose? Isn't it all bullshit?

What a pathetic attitude. It sounds like most people that I’ve tried to inform about peak oil. They don’t want to hear the bad news, so they bury their head in the sand with an attitude like that. On the other hand, DJ doesn’t want to hear any good news, so he buries his head in the sand with a negative attitude.

I’ve met people like him. Manic depressants that I suspect enjoy being dark and gloomy. Hating is just so much easier for some people.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Doly » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 10:39:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', 'M')anic depressants that I suspect enjoy being dark and gloomy.


Deppresive people don't enjoy being gloomy, they just can't help being gloomy, any more than a geek type can't help asking questions.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby arretium » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 12:51:05

DJ:
If you really feel hopeless, go join the military as a grunt. If you graduated from ISU, the Army will pay off your college loans of up to $20K with a 4 year enlistment.

Since you don't think your life has any hope and you plan on killing yourself, you might as well do your family a favour and die in the Iraq War. Think of the blazes and glory you could create for yourself! Why, you could go out like Hector and your name could live on for millennia!

In the rare event that you decide your life is worth living and you survive your 4 years in the Army (or don't get back doored for many more years), you could save your $30K enlistment bonus and an applicable monthly amount, invest it in gold, and then buy yourself some nice property over in Idaho Falls, where at least the farming is better...

OK --- Here's my brutal version with the same meaning:

Quit being selfish and pull yourself together. So what we're running out of oil in the world? Why don't you do something about it instead of being a jackass and pulling the woe is me attitude. You're much better off financially than the majority of poor souls out there just by virtue of living in the U.S. You are acting like a damn fool. If you want to go ahead and off yourself over peak oil, I'm nominating you for a Darwin award because you'll be one of the stupidest jackasses around since those idiots down in California suicided themselves onto the Hailey Bop comet in the 1990s.

Instead of whining about the problem and begging for attention via the suicide statements you could become part of the solution. Why not learn all you can about alternative farming or alternative energy solutions? And don't give me the “I'm broke” money argument since the library is free.
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby DamienJasper » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 19:56:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Omnitir', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('venky', '
')http://peakoildebunked.blogspot.com/

Please, spend sometime reading everything on that site.


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DamienJasper', '
')To what purpose? Isn't it all bullshit?

What a pathetic attitude. It sounds like most people that I’ve tried to inform about peak oil. They don’t want to hear the bad news, so they bury their head in the sand with an attitude like that. On the other hand, DJ doesn’t want to hear any good news, so he buries his head in the sand with a negative attitude.

I’ve met people like him. Manic depressants that I suspect enjoy being dark and gloomy. Hating is just so much easier for some people.


Hey, that's not my saying. That's what everyone here does. Notice Lynch and JD get crucified whenever they try and post something hopeful. I actually enjoy reading Lynch and JD's stuff.

What is so hard about this arretium? You can learn all you want about farming for free, but you need money to get the land. Get the picture?
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Re: Well this is finally it: Time to go

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 04 Nov 2005, 20:30:34

What is so hard about looking for a community to work with to buy some land, or find a community which has some land already?

Have you even tried this, DJ? 8O
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