[DesertBear2]

This guy is a nutcase. And Noory is one of those guys that can't turn down a good conspiracy theory. Noory is getting excited as he realizes that the oil shortage is just a big plot by the greedy oil barons.

I wonder why US industry would import expensive foreign oil for refined products if they knew that cheap oil was available domestically??? Would the steel and trucking industry go along with a sinister profit plot by Exxon?

Certainly the US intelligence community would be aware of such a plot. And during wartime, they certainly wouldn't let a bunch of oil barons cause billions in extra charges to the Pentagon.

This stuff reminds me of some US fundy preachers who believe that the rapture is coming very soon. This religious nuttery posits that god created fully enough resources to supply mankind until jeesus returns to rule the earth for a thousand years. uh huh.

[MagnoliaFan]

If abiotic oil was as plentiful and viable as they say it is, then...

-The Soviet Union would have overwhelmed the United States in the Cold War (the Commies discovered abiotic oil)
-The aging Saudi fields would not be pumping seawater to maintain pressure in their aging fields
-The US government and the manufacturing industry would have embraced this theory a very long time ago--evil oil barons, envirowhackos and NIMBYs be damned.

I'm somewhat of an insomniac, and I listen to C2C just before I go to bed and when I get up very early in the morning. It seems that lately, only the abiotic oil theory gets any airplay on that show.

A PO heavyweight needs to debunk the abiotic theory instead of just dismissing the abiotic proponents as nutcases and not discussing in detail why it does not work. Because right now, the abiotic proponents are winning the argument in the 'alternative mainstream' media.

[MagnoliaFan]

A quick search on Google, and I found the following:

http://www.questionsquestions.net/docs04/peakoil1.html

Capped wells may appear to refill after a few years, but they are not regenerating. It is simply an effect of oil slowly migrating through pore spaces from areas of high pressure to the low-pressure area of the drill hole. If this oil is drawn out, it will take even longer for the hole to refill again.

This is the best argument against the abiotic theory, and it is needed to be used over and over again against the abiotic fanatics.

[DesertBear2]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MagnoliaFan', '
')A PO heavyweight needs to debunk the abiotic theory instead of just dismissing the abiotic proponents as nutcases and not discussing in detail why it does not work.

[nuhax]

These guys were so messed up... most of the talk was about supposed RESERVES.. they dont know the difference between peak oil production and reserve estimates.... Although I was interested in the topic this discussion got so absurd and ridiculous that it had be turned off...

[Trindelm]

I find Coast to Coast the equivalent of Bed Time stories read through staticy intonations of a tin foil hatted narrator.
Beware of shadow People! Unless they point you to a well of newly formed abiotic oil owned by Kennedy and Elvis. Bubba Ho-Texaco

[MagnoliaFan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DesertBear2', 'I') have worked as a wellsite geologist all over the North American continent. I watched a number of wells over 20,000 feet deep. These were multi-million dollar wells that generally did not pay off. No great oil reserves are lurking at these depths. I sat on one 25,000 foot well in North Dakota that had a great return from the lower target zone....of poisonous hydrogen sulfide gas. Since those days, few wells at all are drilled in that area- much less deep ones.

[MagnoliaFan]

To the PO believers on this forum, this article will make your blood boil (as it did mine):

http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/

Alex Jones was a guest on C2C a while back, but he shares the same beliefs as the abiotic crowd.

There are too many inconsistencies to point out that can easily be debunked by an amateur peak oilist such as myself.

Globalization is all about consolidation. Now that the world economy has become so centralized through the Globalists operations, they are going to continue to consolidate and blame it on the West's "evil" overconsumption of fossil fuels, while at the same time blocking the development and integration of renewable clean technologies.

I myself agree with this assertion. Although I don't think that renewable energy will ever be as good as conventional oil (pound for pound), I concede that there is some collusion between politicians and business to suppress alternatives. But with everything that involves even the slightest paradigm shift in the way our society and economy operates, this collusion already exists in everything (example: environmentalists who oppose wind farms, etc). It's not a conspiracy per se, it's just the way the real world works.

However, one of the arguments of the cornucopians (who don't see PO as a problem and are generally pro-globalist) is that the market will find an economically viable alternative, be it wind, solar or hydrogen.

Flying in the face of the so called peak oil crisis are the facts. If we are running out of oil so quickly then why are reserves being continually increased and production skyrocketing?

Earlier this year Saudi Arabia reportedly increased its crude reserves by around 200 billion barrels. Saudi oil Is secure and plentiful, say officials.

Saudi Arabia has only increased its oil reserves on paper. To cite that country which constantly suppresses it's production data is pure intellectual dishonesty. The government of Canada has more or less done the same declaring the Alberta tar sands to be the same as light sweet crude. Now, I live in Alberta, and even I don't believe that BS.

When you start declaring coal-grade fossil fuels as part of your proven reserves, I say that peak oil is already here or we're pretty close to it.

The peak oil and demand myth is peddled by the establishment-run fake left activist groups, OPEC and globalist arms such as the IMF.

Rolling Stone magazine even carried an article in its April issue heavily biased towards making people believe the peak oil lie.

Well, anyone can make a search through my posts on this forum to find out I am a "far-right" reactionary. I don't think you can assume that all peak oilists are left-leaning in their ideology, but I can see why a majority of them would be. In short, a leftist embraces PO because it shows the inherent flaws of capitalism in their worldview. But a rightist can embrace PO for the completely opposite reason--that modern society with its notions of impossible equality is a sham propped up by access to cheap energy (as pointed out in another thread, aboltion of slavery was only made possible through industrialization, once industrial society disappears, so will abolition).

Rolling Stone magazine publishes articles that cater to pop culture/music fans, so I suppose that by default, it is a left-wing publication. But then, they did have the courage to publish an expose on "bug chasers" (men who purposely seek to get infected by HIV) to much criticism from gay activists. Peak oil may seem like old hat to most of us here on this forum, but to the mainstream public it is an interesting topic.

[Armageddon]

I like Matt, should be a good show. He is going to talk about the current oil price situation.

[Aimrehtopyh]

Good show Matt.

[blukatzen]

I listened as well, (Matt, get a better phone it was hard to hear you, it sounded very muffled.) but he was VERY good, and I LOVED that you called G. Noory on his "abiotic oil" fantasy.

I am glad that he gave you the opportunity to go toe to toe with Jerome Corsi, as I think the last go-round had Corsi handily beating Mike Ruppert. (not that Corsi was right, he just played to the audience better, and told them what they "wanted" to hear..."Go back to sleep, little flock".)
You have enough knowlege and wit to take them on, with a cogent SUCCINCT argument, and I liked the way you handled this tonight.
Good on ya' Matt!

[NEOPO]

Imagine the nerve of people who suggest that to simply speak of 9/11, the matrix, aliens or other "wacky crap" on the PO.COM forum is degrading the peak oil message!

Imagine the nerve of such people and then take a good look around AM coast to coast.

Abductions, End Times & Weird Calls
Bird Deaths, Strange Smells & End Times
UFOs & Crop Circles
Expelling Entities
The Interconnecting Matrix


Oh no dont get me wrong as I find these subjects plausible as well as entertaining and I am happy to see Peak Oil pop up anywhere and everywhere.

My point is that there is little to no difference between the folks who debunk everything and those who accept Peak Oil yet continue to try and debunk everything else!

The debunking methodology is very uniform.

A farther point would be that I have found people like Mr Savinar just as warped and wrapped up with institutionalized logic as anyone else.
We are all hardwired to seek political power dont ya know?
Altruism cannot exist dont ya know?
This has been proven by science because that is what they taught me in school dont ya know?!

Ultimately I am thankful that the PO message is getting out regardless of the source.
Matt's website helps many people come to the truth about PO.
It would be nice if they did not attempt to stop at PO.
Keep going...there is much more to learn.
Stop squinting....there is much more to see.

Yeah I have no problem with the AM coast to coast format.
Its the pricks who have a problem with mixing PO and all the OTHER subjects that I have a problem with.
Intolerance is not easily tolerated and often times it makes the tolerant ones appear intolerant

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('blukatzen', 'I') listened as well, (Matt, get a better phone it was hard to hear you, it sounded very muffled.) but he was VERY good, and I LOVED that you called G. Noory on his "abiotic oil" fantasy.

I am glad that he gave you the opportunity to go toe to toe with Jerome Corsi, as I think the last go-round had Corsi handily beating Mike Ruppert. (not that Corsi was right, he just played to the audience better, and told them what they "wanted" to hear..."Go back to sleep, little flock".)
You have enough knowlege and wit to take them on, with a cogent SUCCINCT argument, and I liked the way you handled this tonight.
Good on ya' Matt!

[Hiderow]

Is there a download anywhere for it?

[Armageddon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hiderow', 'I')s there a download anywhere for it?

[Hiderow]

ah well, I'll just have to keep my eye out for it, with a bit of luck it will show up somewhere else for free, I'm not paying for 1 show.

Cheers anyway

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Ditto, he was great, particularly at offering an explanation for the current ppb drop.

[ClassicSpiderman]

I listen to it every day (night) because my job has me "telecommute" to a European company and there's a big time difference.

He was on for about 30 minutes or so, and the topic of abiotic oil did come up. Matt said that out of all the 40,000 oil fields in the world, not one of that has been replenished.

Matt did bring up an interesting thing that I never thought of--the lowering of the price of oil which caused the Soviet Union to collapse. I did read his PDF book, but that was a few years ago, so I'm not sure if that was brought up in it. I know that high oil prices have benefitted Russia lately and it's why they've been much more assertive and confident.

[blukatzen]

We're talking about this over here..
http://peakoil.com/fortopic26413.html

Maybe we should merge the thread?

[Jellric]

Dammit, people. Let us know when stuff like this is going to go down. I have listened to C2C for years but missed this show. Arghhh.

If anyone has a torrent of it or some such (legal of course *wink*) please PM me!