[stu]

But going back to the original point of the thread....

http://news.newkerala.com/india-news/?a ... s&id=74215

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')exico has rebuffed a report by the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency placing it on a list of potentially unstable countries in 2006.

"It is reprehensible and unacceptable that an agency of a foreign government is opining on Mexican questions," Mexican Interior Secretary Santiago Creel said Thursday.

[alpha480v]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'O')ne hardly needs to enter Abu Ghraib to witness how America treats the vulnerable. Just walk into any maximum security prison in the prison industrial complex and talk to those incarcerated for minor marijuana felonies and ask them how they enjoyed being gang raped upon THEIR arrival.

Jaye, That could be your kid! But it's okay, because you don't have to look at it, the mainstream news doesn't cover it. You don't live in that America.

There are plenty of great Americans, wise people, over half I'd say. The others are delusional narcissistic windbags.

[threadbear]

Alpha, There is remarkable inconsistency in the American system. I have no doubt that the prison system in New York state would be more compassionate and fair. Had you worked in a red state, your views would, no doubt be different.

Imagine what aperson has to go through in his/her life to reduce them to the term "human scum". As far as I'm concerned you can't treat these people well enough. They should be given daily massages, aroma therapy, zen meditation, loving staff, etc... until they are well.

[rogerhb]

BBC
Guardian

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Guardian', 'A')n investigation into a White House intelligence leak was nearing its conclusion yesterday after a New York Times reporter, jailed in July for refusing to testify, identified Vice-President Dick Cheney's leading aide as her main source.

[LadyRuby]

Perhaps there is poetic justice in this world afterall...

Up to the Grand Jury

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ill Fitzgerald issue indictments? Washington and cable news care about nothing else these days. The answer is: No, he won’t. The most Fitzgerald will do is ask his grand jury to issue indictments. It’s really all up to them. Which raises the question: who are they? A federal grand jury has 23 members.

A typical Washington, D.C. grand jury is about 75% African American. Fitzgerald’s is slightly more than that. This is not the kind of group Karl Rove feels at home with. He has no professional experience trying to appeal to a group like this. He has been so unsuccessful at it that his boss’s job approval rating with African Americans is now 2%, which, factoring in the margin of error, could actually be zero. To make matters statistically and demographically much worse for Rove and Scooter Libby, only 12 of the 23 grand jurors have to agree to indict them.

There is already a good deal of pundit anguish being spent over how unfair it would be if indictments only cover little things like lying to FBI agents or perjury, violations that today’s New York Times calls “peripheral to the issue” Fitzgerald was appointed to investigate. Federal grand juries are constantly issuing indictments that are peripheral to the issue they were impaneled to consider. The question Rove and Libby are asking themselves today is: Does this seem like the kind of grand jury that is going to think lying to an FBI agent or perjury is a serious crime--unless you work in the White House? I think they know the answer.

[swingbolder]

It will be interesting to see how all this plays out.

The prosecutor for the CIA leak case, Patrick Fitzgerald, has a might impressive resume as well, having successfully prosecuted the 1993 WTC bombers, Mafia bigwigs and corrupt Democratic politicians (Chicago's Mayor Daley machine) over the course of his career.

The son of Irish immigrants (his father was a doorman), Fitzgerald worked his way through college as a janitor and doorman, received scholarships to Amherst College, graduating summa cum laude or some such, and then went to Harvard Law School.

In other words, he worked hard for everything he's gotten, nothing was handed to him, which sort of makes him an "anti-Bush."

[BabyPeanut]

Has Karl Rove pled the fifth? I don't recall that he did.

[LadyRuby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', 'H')as Karl Rove pled the fifth? I don't recall that he did.

[The_Toecutter]

Betcha' 5 bucks that if Rove faces being charged, he'll get a pardon from Bush...

What a bunch of fucking crooks...

[swingbolder]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')etcha' 5 bucks that if Rove faces being charged, he'll get a pardon from Bush...

[NTBKtrader]

This won't go anywhere or really matter much.

[some_guy282]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('The_Toecutter', 'B')etcha' 5 bucks that if Rove faces being charged, he'll get a pardon from Bush...

What a bunch of fucking crooks...

[EnemyCombatant]

[LadyRuby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'I') thought so too, but now I'm not as sure. Bush would take an enormous hit to his already badly damaged popularity. It's still possible, but I think it's more likely there wont be any indictments at all. The prosecuter may be a good one, but remember who appointed him: President Bush.

[BabyPeanut]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'I') thought so too, but now I'm not as sure. Bush would take an enormous hit to his already badly damaged popularity.

[Keith_McClary]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'I') thought so too, but now I'm not as sure. Bush would take an enormous hit to his already badly damaged popularity. It's still possible, but I think it's more likely there wont be any indictments at all. The prosecuter may be a good one, but remember who appointed him: President Bush.

[ozkrenske]

Help me out here about pardons.

You can only receive a pardon once you're guilty. You can't be guilty until you go to trial. You can't got to trial unless you are impeached. So the whole process will need to just keep ticking along for a year or so before George can pardon anyone.

Isn't that how it goes.

It does seem like the emotional justifications on the republican side are going to be hard to play out sympathetically. "Yes we should impeach Clinton because he got blown off in the white house. We shouldn't impeach cheney/libby/rove/george/etc because they only committed treason and killed 100 000 people or so." By the time this entire thing is finished I think the power to actually declare war may well be back in the US congresses hands, where it legally belongs.

[LadyRuby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ozkrenske', 'H')elp me out here about pardons.

You can only receive a pardon once you're guilty. You can't be guilty until you go to trial. You can't got to trial unless you are impeached. So the whole process will need to just keep ticking along for a year or so before George can pardon anyone.

[jenko]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ozkrenske', 'H')elp me out here about pardons.

You can only receive a pardon once you're guilty. You can't be guilty until you go to trial. You can't got to trial unless you are impeached. So the whole process will need to just keep ticking along for a year or so before George can pardon anyone.

[LadyRuby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jenko', 'C')orrect me if I'm wrong, but Nixon didn't go thru a trial, and the first thing Ford did upon taking office was pardon Nixon for whatever he might have done. Hey, they have the power, they make the rules. Haven't we gotten that yet?