[harlanater]

lets just make this clear.. my tangeant was about how selfish people can be. We live in a selfish nation who uses a phony god to explain his acts. Even if we end up suffering it will be only a slight amount of suffering the poorer nations have experienced.

paradox of the stone
if god is omnipotent can he create a stone he cannot lift?

Mike Harlan

[ashurbanipal]

Renfield makes an excellent point, and it's the same point that they make with new recruits in the army that don't like one another. You may find that, when things get rough, your personal conflicts disappear. Even further, in that dynamic, personal opinions themselves disappear. The overriding concern is that food is grown, that land is cared for, that people are well, and that humanity grows once more.

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Antimatter', 'S')o how many of you guys can honestly say you weren't ignorent retarded stupid consuming etc sheeple before you stumbled accross those neat little graphs on dieoff.org?

[Falconoffury]

I find two funny things about most people who subscribe to the idea of oil price conspiracy. First, they have no citations to support their claim. Second, they usually will not entertain the possibility of any other types of conspiracies.

They are just trying to make themselves feel better. They don't want truth. They just want to feel better.

[Ibon]

How many of you peak oil elititsts who saw the future a year or two ago would now be willing to stand hand in hand in common cause with this guy.

http://grist.org/news/maindish/2005/10/ ... index.html

Cizik is a pro-Bush Bible-brandishing reverend zealously opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem-cell research. He is also on a mission to convert tens of millions of Americans to the cause of conservation, using a right-to-life framework.

[Jake_old]

Well thats one way of pushing the agenda I suppose

[/QUOTE]Polluters will have to answer to God, not just government, according to Richard Cizik. Vice president of governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals[QUOTE]

I've tried truth as I think it, alternative energy mythology, hard core doomerism (lifeaftertheilcrash sort of thing).

'They' know at the back of their minds. People want to ignore this issue and its frustrating to say the least. only a year ago I was known as the kooky oil guy, the nutjob. Now I'm seen as serious but certainly not crazy.

I am sure they don't want to know, its a choice.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'H')ow many of you peak oil elititsts who saw the future a year or two ago would now be willing to stand hand in hand in common cause with this guy.

http://grist.org/news/maindish/2005/10/ ... index.html

Cizik is a pro-Bush Bible-brandishing reverend zealously opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem-cell research. He is also on a mission to convert tens of millions of Americans to the cause of conservation, using a right-to-life framework.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rogerhb', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'H')ow many of you peak oil elititsts who saw the future a year or two ago would now be willing to stand hand in hand in common cause with this guy.

http://grist.org/news/maindish/2005/10/ ... index.html

Cizik is a pro-Bush Bible-brandishing reverend zealously opposed to abortion, gay marriage, and embryonic stem-cell research. He is also on a mission to convert tens of millions of Americans to the cause of conservation, using a right-to-life framework.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ibon', 'L')astly I come back to the question, How many of you peak oilers so grounded in science in your agnostic or athiestic world view will be willing to stand hand in hand in common cause with a growing evangelical christian movement embracing peak oil?

Fertile soil for cultural change can be seen here.