[harlanater]

I was outside the other day with a classmate and he was complaining about oil prices. When I mentioned to him about peak oil this is what he said..

"Well maybe they should drill in alaska. those stupid enviromentalists need to let go."

I responded by informing him that even with alaska the problem is still emninent.

"Well maybe the iraqis should give us oil for giving them democracy and rebuilding this country. I drive a V8 truck and i deserve my oil. Who cares if the us is better than everyone else"

Deserve? people are efin retarted. The Us if a big bully pushing everyone around. Unfortuanetly this seems to be the attitude of the general public

brainwashed Zombies..

Harlan

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('harlanater', 'b')rainwashed Zombies..

[backstop]

harlanater -

a word to the wise -

save your time and effort for those with the openness of mind to assemble a coherent train of thought . . . .

As the enforced learning curve gets steeper, there'll be some real anger looking for scapegoats, so discretion may be doubly worthwhile.

regards,

Backstop

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('backstop', 'h')arlanater -

a word to the wise -

save your time and effort for those with the openness of mind to assemble a coherent train of thought . . . .

As the enforced learning curve gets steeper, there'll be some real anger looking for scapegoats, so discretion may be doubly worthwhile.

regards,

Backstop

[MicroHydro]

Idiots are everywhere, from Thule to Tuva to Tonga. But, your American idiot classmate is a perfect explanation of why so many look forward to the end of US hegemony.

[NeoPeasant]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('tinosorb', 'I')t seems that they are in the majority, too, which is a ceaseless source of distress for those of us on the other side.

I recently started a position which requires driving, a modest commute by most standards but too far to ride my bicycle, which is an agony for a number of reasons:

-I think of somebody losing a body part in Iraq and every time I hit the road, I think-- there goes somebody's finger, or 1/10 of a leg, or something like that. My thoughts on this issue are very graphic.

-I also think of those in other countries who are forced to do with less.

-I hate the physical act of city driving. Even if it were free non-polluting, and not dependent on a finite resource, I'd still rather not do it. It's time I can think of ten thousand ways that could be better spent, and it only means I have to spend extra time exercising, which is stupid and crazy.

-I ponder of the quantity of emissions I produce, down to the gram.

-It's a horrible waste of a finite resource.

-It's money that I'd rather not spend on gas.

-I resent having to pay for insurance, maintenance, repairs, tag fees, etc.

In short, it is mentally, morally, emotionally, and viserally abhorent to me.

It's hard to imagine that there are so many people out there who feel entitled to much more.

I will work my way towards a transfer ASAP, even with a cut in pay.

In the meantime I am bearing it because the total package is better than being jobless. The annual grand total is still only a small fraction of what most people drive. And yet it makes me crazy.

[Colorado-Valley]

I'm with MicroHydro, the people in this country really need to learn about the laws of nature, the laws of treating other countries with respect and, oh yeah, that little story about how pride goeth before the fall.

[jmacdaddio]

I'm not surprised by the idiot comments. In the US high school graduates can barely balance a checkbook, let alone comprehend the intricacies of supply and demand, the physical limits of resource extraction, and the complex web of geopolitics. Even intelligent people are prone to remarks like "we'll just bomb those m--f-ers and take their oil". One of the more intelligent fellows I've worked with fell for the "it's a refining crunch problem" and stated that "we need to convert old bases to refineries".

Save your energy for those who can be converted. Start learning self-defense and marksmanship to protect yourself from the morons who would rather nuke another nation than give up their F-150s.

[Ardalla]

Sadly it never seems to get much better. I grew up with people who thought Eisenhower was a communist (Birchers) and George Wallace was the savior of civilization.

You would think that, with more and more people getting college educations, the level of knowlege would be higher.

Ever listen to "Jay Walking" on the Tonight Show?

I should take a poll at work: In what direction does the sun rise in the morning? I'll bet at least 20% of the people would not know.

God knows what I would get if I asked how many moons does the earth have?

[Chocky]

Don't just blame Americans, people are that stupid all over the world. I've heard similiar comments myself.

[VinceG]

Correct me if I´m wrong, but I have a feeling that the general attitude in this topic (actually in most topics) towards the concept of peakoil is:

* We are really smart and intelligent because we know about peakoil and try to learn as much of this concept as possible....

* Everybody else is really stupid because they keep driving their SUV´s, keep consuming and don´t know anything about peakoil....

Sounds rather arrogant and....euh...stupid to me...

To know about peakoil means you have a basic understanding of how our society works, how capitalism, consumerism and (cheap) oil are the driving forces behind our economic prosperity, and more important: how rising oil prices form a serious threat to our current lifestyles.

However, that doesn´t make us superiour to the ´unknowing sheeple´ who have no idea of how our society works and why they can watch their DVD´s on their plasma screens and drive their Jeep Rangers.

Peakoilers have to understand that it is not just the attitude of the unknowing towards the concept of peakoil that has change, but also OUR OWN attitude towards these people....

[Falconoffury]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')owever, that doesn´t make us superiour to the ´unknowing sheeple´ who have no idea of how our society works and why they can watch their DVD´s on their plasma screens and drive their Jeep Rangers.

[bobcousins]

To be fair to Americans, their assumption of a God given right to be better than everyone else is normal for people at the top. It is equally normal for people at the bottom to whine about oppression and argue for cooperation and equality. The people are the same, but the opinions they express depend on where they are in the hierarchy.

I think you could find pretty much the same opinions expressed by people at the height of the Biritsh Empire, or the French, or many others. "We are better than them. We are bringing them <benefits of civilisation>. Why should we not be rewarded/plunder their resources?"

[bobcousins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VinceG', 'C')orrect me if I´m wrong, but I have a feeling that the general attitude in this topic (actually in most topics) towards the concept of peakoil is:

* We are really smart and intelligent because we know about peakoil and try to learn as much of this concept as possible....

* Everybody else is really stupid because they keep driving their SUV´s, keep consuming and don´t know anything about peakoil....

Sounds rather arrogant and....euh...stupid to me...

[Macsporan]

There are plenty of swine on this forum to cast your pearls before without bothering civilians.

[Antimatter]

So how many of you guys can honestly say you weren't ignorent retarded stupid consuming etc sheeple before you stumbled accross those neat little graphs on dieoff.org?

[some_guy282]

Yesterday I was at the bike shop having some adjustments done. I mentioned the recent story about bike sales sky rocketing due to oil prices, and added my own 2 cents that it would only get worse. This winter also has potential to be very bad for oil prices I observed. Why? Because 20% of the nation's refineries are knocked out due to hurricanes of course!

"If you believe that, I've got a bridge to sell you" is what I got in response from my bike shop owner. I shut up immediately. He's not a dumb guy, but he just immediately thinks oil scarcity is a conspiracy of the evil oil companies, like so many others.

[Chocky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eakoilers have to understand that it is not just the attitude of the unknowing towards the concept of peakoil that has change, but also OUR OWN attitude towards these people...

[o2ny]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chocky', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')eakoilers have to understand that it is not just the attitude of the unknowing towards the concept of peakoil that has change, but also OUR OWN attitude towards these people...