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THE International Energy Agency (IEA) Thread pt 1 (merged) A

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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby backstop » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 00:41:44

I don't know how far back you lot go, but I've seen nothing remotely like that,
from that senior a source, since the '70s.

While I remain open to the possibility of relatively benign outcomes,
(stuff optimism & pessimism both)
no, I don't think you're wrong DP.

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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby MicroHydro » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 01:15:26

2 million bpd (half as petrol from Europe) is enough to supply the US ok in the early (Sept- Oct) fall - less driving than summer, not much home heating yet. However, Europe has made it quite clear that the maximum possible period of help would be 60 days. After November 1st, the US is on its own, because Europe is freezing then and needs heating oil. The US had better be back to full refinery capacity by then. If GOM crude oil production is impaired long term (likely), then the US could increase the draw on the SPR. Obviously this cannot go on forever since 2 million bpd would run through the SPR in less than a year. At some point, demand must be reduced. The oil price is heading up year after year.
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby dooberheim » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 07:48:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'C')all me a spoilsport but I think this would be as good opportunity as any for the blessed inhabitants of the Land of the Free to (shock, horror, gasp, vomit, faint) learn how to use less oil.


Amen!!

One of the people I work with is taking his family to Minnesota to spend a day and a half with his wife's family. He bitches about the price of gas, but nowhere does it even enter his mind that they might not go. Complete disconnect...

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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 08:24:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'D')osen't sound like they will be extending the 30 day period. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that 1 of the 2 million per day from the IEA comes from the US SPR. So basically Europe is selling us 1 mbpd, which is actually less than the amount of 1 to 2 mbpd lost and not processed through NO.

So unless production comes on line fast, which is doubtful based on the daily trend by the MMS, the situation over the next month will get steadily worse, with things getting very much worse after 30 days.

Ok you optimists, tell me where I'm wrong here.


Given the large number of talented, strongly motivated, and well funded people working on getting the refineries back up and getting Port Fourchon back in service I will be surprised if 7 of the 9 are not back in full service by the end of September. Port Fourchon is suppossed to be in limited service next week and full service the week after that.

Drawing on the SPR with the refineries back up will moderate prices a lot, and the missing GOM flow will be made up three ways, conservation because higher prices will force demand destruction, resuming pumping as platforms are repaired, and additional imports wherever they can find them.
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby Barbara » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 09:31:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dooberheim', '
')One of the people I work with is taking his family to Minnesota to spend a day and a half with his wife's family. He bitches about the price of gas, but nowhere does it even enter his mind that they might not go. Complete disconnect...

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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby LadyRuby » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 09:42:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'C')all me a spoilsport but I think this would be as good opportunity as any for the blessed inhabitants of the Land of the Free to (shock, horror, gasp, vomit, faint) learn how to use less oil.


You guys are just enabling us to continue in our wasteful ways. This would've been an excellent opportunity for us to have a crisis to help prepare us for the even bigger crisis that will be peak oil. Thanks for nothing.
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby Leanan » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 09:58:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Macsporan', 'C')all me a spoilsport but I think this would be as good opportunity as any for the blessed inhabitants of the Land of the Free to (shock, horror, gasp, vomit, faint) learn how to use less oil.


What? What are you, some kind of Communist? Cheap, abundant energy is the American birthright! Dick Cheney told me so! :P

I think we're heading for a recession, at the very least. Of course we will make up the oil shortage by buying up oil that otherwise would be going to poorer countries, but it will hurt. As that article pointed out, an oil shock caused by higher demand is a different beast from an oil shock caused by decreased supply.
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby DantesPeak » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 10:34:42

Getting slightly off topic, but increasing US energy imports at the same time energy prices are rising means the US trade deficit will keep expanding.

It will interesting to see if the rest of the world wants send more and more money to the US to keep financing the ever expanding US trade deficit, as their own economies suffer with higher energy prices too.

Very interesting.
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby Grimnir » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 18:30:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dooberheim', 'O')ne of the people I work with is taking his family to Minnesota to spend a day and a half with his wife's family. He bitches about the price of gas, but nowhere does it even enter his mind that they might not go.


Not everyone is like that. My local paper interviewed people asking if their labor day plans had changed. Several said yes. Most said something along the lines of "no, but only because this has been planned for months. After we get back, we're not going anywhere". Only one or two said something like "bring it on".
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby MacG » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 19:07:43

Cosy way out for the IEA. "Our projections for 2030 were entirely correct. Had it not been for this hurricane. Now everything has suddenly changed. We aint done nothin wrong!"
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Re: IEA chief warns of worldwide energy crisis

Unread postby LadyRuby » Sun 04 Sep 2005, 21:32:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'C')osy way out for the IEA. "Our projections for 2030 were entirely correct. Had it not been for this hurricane. Now everything has suddenly changed. We aint done nothin wrong!"


What B.S. If the issue right now really were JUST Hurricane Katrina we wouldn't have had these instantaneous shortages (our tanks were running on empty when the Hurricane hit), and this would be a short-term (couple of years) problem until the infrastructure was ready. This crisis was already in the making, Katrina just gave it a jump start.
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IEA - Peak Oil "dismissed"

Unread postby linlithgowoil » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 08:47:14

Bloomberg URL

IEA says technology will help us. It probably will, but to what extent ? We'll soon find out i suppose
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby some_guy282 » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 08:50:11

ME: The IEA are a bunch of idiots.
In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations, and epochs it is the rule. – Nietzsche

Time makes more converts than reason. – Thomas Paine

History is a set of lies agreed upon. – Napoleon Bonaparte
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby sol » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 09:07:17

On Bloomberg too :-D
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby deconstructionist » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 10:08:24

*phew*

Now I can go out and buy that Hummer!!!
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby FoxV » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 10:46:00

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he IEA estimates that there are roughly 10 trillion barrels of oil equivalent of conventional oil and gas in place and at least as much non-conventional oil.

so 5 to 10 times more than we've been able to find in the last 150 years of searching

boy do we ever have nothing to worry about.

Why stop at only one hummer. Buy one for the whole family.
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby trespam » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 10:56:21

Here's a question though that I'd like to have answered. I'm sure it's out there. Can anyone provide me with a paper or study that looks at the entire globe, looks at the geology of where oil should be, where it has been found, in what quantities, what qualities, how much exploration was performed to find that oil, etc etc etc

What are you guys using to draw your conclusions. What data source? Kusntler doesn't talk about this. Heinberg doesn't. Campbell barely does. Just a few words.

Where's the analysis? Or do you just believe what you want to believe?
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby Antimatter » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:03:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoxV', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he IEA estimates that there are roughly 10 trillion barrels of oil equivalent of conventional oil and gas in place and at least as much non-conventional oil.

so 5 to 10 times more than we've been able to find in the last 150 years of searching

boy do we ever have nothing to worry about.

Why stop at only one hummer. Buy one for the whole family.


Key words - in place. Oil in place is 6-8 trillion bbl so that figure for oil and gas in place is about right. Of course not all can be recovered.
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby Jake_old » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:11:14

First thing I note is this quote

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')ept. 22 (Bloomberg) -- The International Energy Agency said technological investments will expand world oil supplies, dismissing ``peak oil'' theories that supplies are running out.


Shouldn't someone tell them that peaking is not about running out.

Secondly I would like to show them Albert Bartletts presentation on the exponential function.

Are we likely to find more oil than has ever been used in the histrory of mankind in the next doubling time? I doubt it very much.

I don't know the rate of economic growth to do the quick sum but I seem to remember the doubling time being 40 - 50 years.

Just a thought, I haven't seen the evidence you would like to see trespam, but isn't that why simmons is calling for transparency.
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Re: IEA - 'Peak Oil' nonsense

Unread postby NeoPeasant » Thu 22 Sep 2005, 11:19:19

Aren't the IEA the same guys who wrote "Saving Oil in a Hurry"?
Saving Oil in a hurry is a guidebook for governments to implement draconian measures for emergency conservation. It liberally uses the phrase "police enforcement".
Why would they forsee the need for such a document if there is all the oil we could possibly need is out there?
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