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THE Hummer/SUV Thread (merged)

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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby something_awfull » Sat 17 Sep 2005, 19:57:18

ha, you won't be able to give an SUV away, if petrol prices dont back off. The same thing is happening in Australia, lots of them with 'for sale' signs in the back or side windows.
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby ab0di » Sat 17 Sep 2005, 20:26:56

Ok. I'll admit it. I have an SUV. It's a 1999 Chevrolet Blazer 4WD. When I bought it, my choices for what I need came down to a small 4WD pickup or an SUV--same frame, same drive train, etc. The SUV was cheaper. I live at the end of a long lane, one section of which is uphill with a curve. I haven't had to have it plowed out since I got the 4WD. I can haul chicken feed, materials for the garden, lumber, etc. I live 3 miles from town, but use very little gasoline. I filled up the first Monday of Katrina at $2.48 and again last Wednesday. I'd used 7.75 gallons in 2+ weeks. Last year I put 5000 miles on the vehicle.

So, should I trade this (paid for) thing in on an overpriced but fuel efficient vehicle that won't get up my drive, won't haul what I need to haul, and has used 25-50 barrels of oil in its manufacture. Hell NO.

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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby MD » Sat 17 Sep 2005, 20:48:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'I') drive a 20 year old jeep that gets pretty lousy mileage. (18-20 mpg US)
I have so far felt little desire to upgrade to a newer more fuel efficient vehicle. The one I have was used and cheap when I bought it, it's built like a brick shithouse, it's simple enough that I can easily fix the occasional small problem that crops up, and parts are cheap and readily available. Also I find that I need four wheel drive quite often.
I can buy a lot of fuel for the price of a newer vehicle. (Vehicles are more expensive in Canada, relative to the US, I believe.)
I feel for any poor shmuck that has a gas guzzler that they are also making $900+ a month payments on. Shed that dead weight while it's still worth something and follow my example: ignore the Jones's, no need to keep up, drive something that is worth nearly nothing. :)

I'm with you. My 13 year old camry with 168000 miles is just fine thank- you-very-much. Sure I could buy a new hummer if I wished....by why would I?
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Postby BabyPeanut » Sat 17 Sep 2005, 21:05:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ab0di', 'S')o, should I trade this (paid for) thing in on an overpriced but fuel efficient vehicle that won't get up my drive, won't haul what I need to haul, and has used 25-50 barrels of oil in its manufacture. Hell NO.

But you are actually using that SUV for the purposes it was designed for. You aren't using it to commute between a home in one suburb and an office in another.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.reflector.com/money/content/shared/money/stories/devault/04/040702_chevy.html]Chevy SUV offers comfy commute (link)[/url]
...skip...
Given an open road, the 185-hp V-6 engine and five-speed automatic transmission (no other combination is available) made the 3,100-pound Equinox a capable sprinter for an SUV in its power/weight class....snip...
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby oiless » Sun 18 Sep 2005, 00:06:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'A')lso I find that I need four wheel drive quite often.

The fact that there are 2WD SUVs shows many are really not needed.

I think it safe to say that a fairly high number of SUV's will never be in four wheel drive. Actually a large number will probably never be off pavement any further than a gravel driveway.
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby mgibbons19 » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 20:24:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('OZ_DOC', 'I')snt the problem here that the further they drop the more attractive they become as second hand cars. People will look at them and say "hey, it'll probably cost me more long term but ill save a few grand now",

This is what I have been thinking. After reading up on PO a couple years ago, I looked at my aging truck, dented, needing a new tranny, and I sold it. I got out of it what the tranny would have cost me. If I had waited until now, I never could have sold it, even for that much.
But, if these things keep coming down in price, once again I will have a bike hauler, firewood hauler, backup family car, and such for pretty cheap. And way nicer than the one I sold.

The fun thing is, my life is organized right now around biking to work, and biking my kid to school three days a week. As a backup car that won't see more than a few thousand miles a year, such a vehicle will have a negligible impact on my own fuel budget, and a negligible impact on the environment. It is when they are used for suburb to suburb all day family haulin that they are problematic vehicles.
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby falser » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 20:32:14

I saw a gigantic 1999 Cadillac SUV with a for sale sign on it the other day. It was well kept, very shiny. Had huge custom tires with nice rims. Yours for only $13,000. I laughed, it was probably overpriced.
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Postby JeeBoomba » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 21:11:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BabyPeanut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oiless', 'A')lso I find that I need four wheel drive quite often.

The fact that there are 2WD SUVs shows many are really not needed.

I think it safe to say that a fairly high number of SUV's will never be in four wheel drive. Actually a large number will probably never be off pavement any further than a gravel driveway.

Not only 2WD, but there are also plenty of front wheel drive SUV's now. They are nothing but jacked up station wagons with big tires. Why not just buy the station wagon instead? :roll:
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby mgibbons19 » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 21:41:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('falser', 'I') saw a gigantic 1999 Cadillac SUV with a for sale sign on it the other day. It was well kept, very shiny. Had huge custom tires with nice rims. Yours for only $13,000. I laughed, it was probably overpriced.

Wouldn't it be great to haul firewood and go mudding in a thing like that? What a hoot. Take it out to the inlaw's farm specifically to haul manure. How often do you get to haul manure with a caddy? I just love it.
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby sol » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 22:04:34

Just bought a trailer for my push bike for the same price brand new that spmeone filling up both tanks on thier 4WD spends. :-D
And when I ride home from work a sense a pang of jelousy/anger that they pay for fuel when I can get about for free. :-D
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Thier should be a special licence to buy a 4WD/SUV, something along the lines of genuine need maybe?
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Postby Specop_007 » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 22:42:49

I have an SUV.
I use it to go to Home Depot or to the lake, thats about it. Last time I filled up was 2 weeks ago. Normally I'd still have over half a tank, but I'm on E right now cause me and the kid went to play in the mud cause it rained for 2 days.
Hey, gotta keep the front end lubed up right? :-D
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby mgibbons19 » Mon 19 Sep 2005, 22:57:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sol', 'T')heir should be a special licence to buy a 4WD/SUV, something along the lines of genuine need maybe?
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Don't worry. If we are correct here at PO.com, then price should accomplish this fairly effectively.
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Postby jmacdaddio » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 00:20:06

I saw a Lincoln Navigator for sale, around model year 2000. $9900.
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Postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 01:20:30

I see large, late model year SUVs here at DEALERS for about that, the dealers are getting desperate.
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby Specop_007 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 02:25:56

I've been real tempted to trade in the Expedition for a Navigator or somesuch. But, i dont have a car payment and I'm really not in a hurry to get one.....
But man....I really want a Navigator.
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby BabyPeanut » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 08:20:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.autoweek.com/news.cms?newsId=103203]"I can't tell you I have any hard evidence," Purves said. "But I can tell you that in the last month, Mini dealers have been inundated on Saturdays by SUV owners saying, 'I've had enough of this.'[/url]
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby azreal60 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 09:50:39

The use of a SuV for what it was supposed to be used for has never been argued by someone intelligent here. If you have a geunine need for 4wd and cargo hauling, hey, your probably using it once a month. Then, its useful and well designed.
I actually was looking into getting one of these really discounted SuV's. I mean, i live in wisconsin, and am looking to get property out in the boonies( but still within my biking distance). I think that for those 2 cumlative weeks a year that i couldn't possibly bike walk ski or otherwise to work or town, i think a SuV would be the perfect vehicle for me. I would probably buy a large one, cause if i'm out on the road in it, then of course i must either be hauling a large large load, or it's one of those nice wisconsin blizzards.
I really would like to find a Diesel SuV. I mean, then i could Grow my fuel for it. =) And it would come to harvest right around the time i would most need it, winter.
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Postby Specop_007 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 10:14:05

I've heard rumors Ford is thinking of putting a mid sized diesel in the Expedition line.
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Postby strider3700 » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 10:27:40

the jeep liberty offers a diesel model I'm sure that adds a nice premium these days
shame on us, doomed from the start
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Re: Owners Finding Used SUVs Worth Less As Gasoline Prices S

Postby gnm » Tue 20 Sep 2005, 10:37:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('azreal60', 'T')he use of a SuV for what it was supposed to be used for has never been argued by someone intelligent here. If you have a geunine need for 4wd and cargo hauling, hey, your probably using it once a month. Then, its useful and well designed.
I actually was looking into getting one of these really discounted SuV's. I mean, i live in wisconsin, and am looking to get property out in the boonies( but still within my biking distance). I think that for those 2 cumlative weeks a year that i couldn't possibly bike walk ski or otherwise to work or town, i think a SuV would be the perfect vehicle for me. I would probably buy a large one, cause if i'm out on the road in it, then of course i must either be hauling a large large load, or it's one of those nice wisconsin blizzards.
I really would like to find a Diesel SuV. I mean, then i could Grow my fuel for it. =) And it would come to harvest right around the time i would most need it, winter.

SUV's are useless pieces of crap - And I mean for hauling and for offroad. Trust me I beat the s**t out of 2 of em (3 sets of suspension on a new one in 1 year) and I finally scrapped the SUV when I bottomed out the suspension hauling a small pile of block. I also bent the roof rack hauling a log but that was probably asking too much. :wink: If you want a diesel which will haul and do well offroad GET A TRUCK. There are plenty of good diesel trucks (even that will seat 4-6) which will get the same or better mileage as an SUV and be WAY better in 4wd situations...
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