[JudoCow09]

First of all, energy is not a plank of the bucket. Food, water, air, and shelter are almost all directly effected by energy. We already settled this.

Secondly, there is no way you can say that this cheap, tap-able energy is only 1000th of 1% of the world's current energy. There is more than just solar power out there and once again, we learn. I learn, you learn, the world learns. New discoveries, new methods, you can't plan the future without the knowledge it will provide. By the way, potential is what we can do, so I guess you mean we could achieve it.

Nuclear is cheap, and Hydro is cheap, Solar is cheap, and Wind is cheap. If I recall, you said it was just solar. Have you accounted for any of the other renewable energy sources? Have you accounted for technological advancements? Every eight years Monte. There's been a million and one theories for the world's end, and some had facts behind them. People said they knew that a meteor would hit Earth. Well, it hasn't yet, so what makes you think your facts are right? There's just simply too many possiblities.

Ahh, I think my remote's working again...

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', ' ')There is lots of potential, but little reality.

[JudoCow09]

Just real quick.

Potential: The inherent(natural) ability or capacity for growth, development, or coming into being.

I'll have to give you another interesting quote. It fits here quite well.

By the way, Ludi, I prefer we use the term banana. Of course, pink bunny rabbit will work too.

[basil_hayden]

I concur Ludi. I try to stay middle of the road and see both sides. But clearly there are limits, some of them we know about, some of them we may not be aware of. If we tackle the energy problem, there's the clean water problem, clean air problem, etc., etc., etc.....

We won't know die-off when it happens, kind of like peak oil. There will just be less people year to year, unless the nukes fly.

[Ludi]

JudoCow, what are you doing, besides being a booster? What are you actually moving toward, growing toward?

Your position just seems empty to me, like so much religion.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'F')irst of all, energy is not a plank of the bucket. Food, water, air, and shelter are almost all directly effected by energy.

[MonteQuest]

Judo,

A question for you:

What percentage of increase, per year, can you imagine for solar technologies?

[Z]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'P')eople said they knew that a meteor would hit Earth. Well, it hasn't yet

[JudoCow09]

What's your position, Ludi? Your position seems so empty to me. You're like all the other bananas on this website. Not to stereotype, but you all seem to share the same views. I hear you chime in, with rhetorical questions, yet besides that, I see little view-point behind you. Do you think you'll survive the die-off I'm sure you believe in just because you know about PO?

It's all opinion. My opinion is empty to you because you have found so much faith in yours, like a religion.

My job is to try and convince Monte more towards my view of realism. He seems to me like a banana, although he would disagree.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'W')hat's your position, Ludi? Your position seems so empty to me. You're like all the other bananas on this website.

[JudoCow09]

Not when they predicted it. If it did, it shrunk to a tiny rock. I don't recall an article about a meteor hitting Earth.

Monte:...Monte, Monte, Monte...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'J')udo, you really need to do some reading. Solar technologies currently "tap" into the solar flux to the tune of 1000th of 1% of our energy produciton.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'M')y job is to try and convince Monte more towards my view of realism. He seems to me like a banana, although he would disagree.

[JudoCow09]

You're right, Ludi. I haven't read much from you about your point-of-views since all I've seen has been your occasional popup. I failed to see you've clearly been here a while. I just figured you were a banana since your sig used to say doo...ir, banana rather than pink bunny rabbit.

Well, there is the point that your facts always back up a negative position. Of course, saying that your facts lead to negative opinions would be completely rude and immature, I will just say that facts back up both sides of the argument.

[Jaymax]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'Y')es, if we ever exceed the cheap, tap-able, energy carrying capability of the planet, there'll be a die-off, at least of western society, whether or not not of total human population. I just don't see the connection to peak oil. (That's an exaggeration, I see the possible connection, but it looks increasingly speculative and rather unlikely to me).

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', 'O')ther renewables. What other renewables you may ask? Wind maybe? Hydro? Did we say anything about JUST solar? No.

[JudoCow09]

11% isn't bad, especially since we haven't been worried about renewable energy until now.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd as readily available?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jaymax', 'Y')es, if we ever exceed the cheap, tap-able, energy carrying capability of the planet, there'll be a die-off, at least of western society, whether or not not of total human population. I just don't see the connection to peak oil. (That's an exaggeration, I see the possible connection, but it looks increasingly speculative and rather unlikely to me).

[JudoCow09]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd what about the fact that when any given species exploits a heretofore unexploited resource that it always blooms and then crashes? It never moves on.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ut yet you are basing your argument on it, aren't you?

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JudoCow09', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nd what about the fact that when any given species exploits a heretofore unexploited resource that it always blooms and then crashes? It never moves on.