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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 24 Jun 2025, 05:15:26

You still here talking shit adam? Owning a couple of nissan leaf's doesn't make you an authority on EV matters anymore than paying a medical bill makes you a doctor. What you know about all these issues I could fit on an 1.44 meg floppy disk. Learn to use search engines and educate your dull cow brain :roll:
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Tue 24 Jun 2025, 10:19:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou still here talking shit adam? Owning a couple of nissan leaf's doesn't make you an authority on EV matters anymore than paying a medical bill makes you a doctor.


For the first time in perhaps....forever...you have made a valid point. If you wanted to appear just a WEE bit smarter, your arguement expressed in a language that mathematicians and statistians would understand would be "Adam, the sample size of your personal experience, even though substantial for an individual, is insufficient to accurately represent a population of millions of cages."

However, there is something experience does allow me to do, even with the sample size of like 4 cages and more than a quarter million miles, that you cannot in any way shape or form possess. And that is verify the individual validity of claims made about EVs. For example, 8 years and replacing a battery. Not me. An EV cage being good for nothing more than short commuting. Not for me. The price being too high. Not for me.

And there are other angles in here that in your ignorance you appear to not understand. When dealing with large sample sizes, where people draw their statistics from to write the articles that tend to bash electrics (the only ones you happen to parrot), average performance is generally the metric referenced. Batteries last XX long. They often don't include "on average" as a qualifier, some might. But I don't figure journalists, let alone your online sources, know any more about probability density functions than you do. Those of us who do stats as part of our profession notice these things, because journalists aren't necessarily any more intelligent than you are when it comes to their use.

And just as my personal experience is personal, and a small sample size, it is relevant because I am NOT an average cager with EVs. I watch battery temperatures when charging and using. I charge at slower rates for a longer time. I do not use any super fast charging. All but one of my EVs has been garaged. I live in a climate that while it has occasional extremes in temperature, it can mostly be considered temperate. I do not use an EV when temperates are extremely low, I force the wife to take an ICE cage, EV stays in unheated garage, but even at -25F temperatures it rarely goes <32F.

I do these things because I wish to optimize my EVs, optimize for th minimum $/mile in operating costs. They are naturally optimized for infintesimal running costs, I simply take maximum advantage of that single characteristic whenever possible.

But one of the few reasonable comments you've made in your entire history here. And you are correct. Reading a medical bill doesn't make me a doctor. But more than a decade of experience and 1/4 million miles with EVs doesn't make me fall for your cherry picked articles either. Why? because I've been at this for a decade and 1/4 million miles and they work just fine within their envelope of performance.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
') What you know about all these issues I could fit on an 1.44 meg floppy disk. Learn to use search engines and educate your dull cow brain :roll:


I use search engines all the time. I also can learn. Which is why "average" results are something that almost never occurs in my personal life, or family. I have taught them well to not be...well...like you. Buying whatever horseswill you find online as though that trumps actual real life experience...even if it is a small sample size of experience to the world at large, but light years ahead of ignorant fools who believe whatever they read....as long as it supports their PRECONCEIVED uneducated and ignorant notions.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 26 Jun 2025, 22:35:40

This guys gotta be adam's son, the pig-eyed electric viking. He's a total EV fanboi, an EVidiot of the first order, but here he is (months ago) spelling out some doom coming Rivian's way. Rivian for those who don't know is the second largest US EV swindler, their stock price is lost way down the toilet but they keep trading, for now, propped up by VW for it's own mysterious purposes. Probably to get EV credits to offset all the other crap they sell into the US. Naturally that will be over now trump has brought some common sense to the market. One day the electric viking's youtube channel will do doubt vanish. Good riddens to that too.
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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') originally put Rivian (RIVN) in the Danger Zone on October 22, 2021 prior to its IPO. I’ve reiterated my bearish opinion on the stock multiple times since then. Since its IPO, this Danger Zone pick outperformed as a short, but this stock remains dangerous. The company’s growth is slowing, yet its stock was up over 50% last year. I’m here to remind you, as the market attempts to rally in recent days, that some very unprofitable businesses remain highly overvalued. Rivian’s stock price remains far too expensive at current levels.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecu ... to-a-halt/

Just another Covid darling like Zoom, a flash in the pan. No one wants their overpriced mobile ipads anymore. they just laid off more of their workforce too. Only a matter of time now...
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Fri 27 Jun 2025, 18:48:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Update:
Rivian’s Growth Story Screeches To A Halt

https://www.forbes.com/sites/greatspecu ... to-a-halt/
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 27 Jun 2025, 20:08:36

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby careinke » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 16:07:52

Just named my TESLA "ROW-B" pronounced Rowbee. Since I've given her a female voice, Her pronouns are: She, Her, and Servant. It's a ROBOT!

So Far We have driven 388 miles and paid $38.00 dollars so far. Here are standard electricity rates around our home.
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Off brand, high capacity chargers, run about $0.66 / KWH (it was rush hour traffic at the time)

Tesla charger $ 0.41 /KWH for non Tesla Vehicles. When I plugged ROW-Bs charger in, the price immediately dropped to $0.31 KWH. This surprised me, so I tried it on another Tesla charger and the same thing happened! :) The other thing I was not expecting, was it automatically charged the Credit Card I set up for Tesla to use when I renew subscriptions. Not complaining , it is very convenient.

Finally I charged from home using a standard 110V wall plug. It charges at 1KWH per hour. A lot of people use this method. As soon as I can get an electrician, I plan to have a 240 V plug installed, which raises the charging speed to 42 KWH. The cost is the same on the compound at $.09/KWH. Significantly less than anything else I can find.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby mousepad » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 17:56:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')So Far We have driven 388 miles and paid $38.00 dollars so far. Here are standard electricity rates around our home.


Damn. My roundtrip to town is 100 miles and it costs me $50 in my 1977 400-V8 truck. If that's the price I gotta pay to assert redneckedness, so be it. Anything but libtard. :-D :-D :-D :-D
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 19:22:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', ' ') The other thing I was not expecting, was it automatically charged the Credit Card I set up for Tesla to use when I renew subscriptions. Not complaining , it is very convenient.

Car bought on debt, recharged with debt, what could possibly go wrong.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 19:25:00

Still no buyer

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 19:59:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Finally I charged from home using a standard 110V wall plug.

I did this with hybrid EVs and the old Leaf, except when the wife took them to work, or we used free public charging. All of that was generally Level at 6KwH.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
') It charges at 1KWH per hour. A lot of people use this method.

Works okay on smaller batteries. But by the time you get to like even a 20 kWh battery, it just seems to take forever. However, slow charging is arguably better in the long run than some of the faster stuff battery degradation wise. For my new Leaf I won't be using its DC connecter, I have no intention of driving this thing across the country, and I don't like the potentially faster battery degradation that might result. The wife's boss does fast charging all the time on her Tesla, and has driven it to ski resorts and in the heat of summer down to the Grand Canyon and has zero regard for treating the battery like what it is...the most expensive item in the car. Tesla's liquid cooling seems to have done okay by her. Active cooling probably mitigates heat issues that might occur in an air cooled battery like mine. So it'll never seen a DC connection. One of my coworkers has a Tesla Model 3, in Houston, and they drive that thing all over Texas.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
') As soon as I can get an electrician, I plan to have a 240 V plug installed, which raises the charging speed to 42 KWH. The cost is the same on the compound at $.09/KWH. Significantly less than anything else I can find.
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I had a 50AMP dedicated circuit already installed in the new place, the rebate from the utility took care of the electricians who installed the Level 2 charger, didn't cost me a dime. My setup is an actual Chargepoint system, same as I use in public. I rent the station for $10/month from the utility, and the rate during evening and early morning hours with that circuit is charged less than the rest of the house, as long as I'm doing it after 9PM and before 7AM. It is $0.05/kwh, jumps to $0.07/kWh later in the day if the cage is caught short of electrons. That has happened like....twice this year. I didn't buy the thing to charge with more expensive electrons unless it is an emergency of some sort.

I can control all the parameters on my phone, when the car charges, I can change the amperage so I can charge slower or fast, again the heat issue, or the hours I want it to activate. And then you can also set the timers in the cage to whatever time you'd prefer it turns on. So you use those two systems to do whatever combination of time and kwH/hr or total kWh you want the cage to get.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 20:06:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Car bought on debt, recharged with debt, what could possibly go wrong.


Indeed. Careinke has a brain, I'm guessing he knows how to use it and can minimize what goes wrong, while an uneducated blowhard just bleats like a sheep because it is so unfair, how much extra $$ it costs them to travel to and fro.

Such is the disadvantage of being both uneducated, and a sheep. Or infected with the DNA of original Australians once they were freed from prison and began inbreeding with the locals released from the paupers prisons and mental wards.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby careinke » Sat 28 Jun 2025, 22:31:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Car bought on debt, recharged with debt, what could possibly go wrong.


Indeed. Careinke has a brain, I'm guessing he knows how to use it and can minimize what goes wrong, while an uneducated blowhard just bleats like a sheep because it is so unfair, how much extra $$ it costs them to travel to and fro.

Such is the disadvantage of being both uneducated, and a sheep. Or infected with the DNA of original Australians once they were freed from prison and began inbreeding with the locals released from the paupers prisons and mental wards.


Yes I understand the how to use debt. The card I use gets paid off routinely, sometimes 5 payments in one month. Using a CC over a debit card is also MUCH safer, and cheaper. If I get scammed on a CC, I am only liable for $25.00. If I use my Debit, nothing is covered. I only use my debit card to withdraw Fiat Dollars from my cash machine.

Dang Adam, $0.05 / KWH is damn cheap. what does Gas cost? We are around $5.00 per Gal.$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')So Far We have driven 388 miles and paid $38.00 dollars so far. Here are standard electricity rates around our home.


Damn. My roundtrip to town is 100 miles and it costs me $50 in my 1977 400-V8 truck. If that's the price I gotta pay to assert redneckedness, so be it. Anything but libtard. :-D :-D :-D :-D


Don't try to race one (Tesla), it could make your balls shrink. JK on the balls part.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 29 Jun 2025, 02:58:44

Senate Advances Trump Tax & Spending Bill In Saturday Night Vote
Sen. Rand Paul voted against the bill - who opposed raising the debt ceiling by $5 trillion

Five, I thought it was going to be 4? And who will buy that debt? Not the East, not the BRICS, not any longer. They are sellers now and the debt comes home to roost in America as inflation. A lot of it's simply monetized now, direct inflation. But why was it only going to be four-T? Well that was May and in a month borrowings and interest have ballooned out :P

Total US gross national debt is $36.21 trillion. Debt held by the public is $28.95 trillion.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sun 29 Jun 2025, 10:31:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Indeed. Careinke has a brain, I'm guessing he knows how to use it and can minimize what goes wrong, while an uneducated blowhard just bleats like a sheep because it is so unfair, how much extra $$ it costs them to travel to and fro.


Yes I understand the how to use debt. The card I use gets paid off routinely, sometimes 5 payments in one month. Using a CC over a debit card is also MUCH safer, and cheaper. If I get scammed on a CC, I am only liable for $25.00. If I use my Debit, nothing is covered. I only use my debit card to withdraw Fiat Dollars from my cash machine.


Same here. Although I have a rule of always carrying two cards as you never know when one might misfire.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')Dang Adam, $0.05 / KWH is damn cheap. what does Gas cost? We are around $5.00 per Gal.

Filled up the kids work car yesterday, $2.75/gal. The rate is excellent, but we've got a bunch of programs and advantages and incentives for solar panels and all sorts of thing with the local utility. They are into renewables and credits and all sorts of stuff. I just made the call to ask them about their programs, picked the one that gave me the best nighttime rate (knowing there is no "good" daytime rate other than "1 price all day and season long" for folks who don't want to think about their useage.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')So Far We have driven 388 miles and paid $38.00 dollars so far. Here are standard electricity rates around our home.


Damn. My roundtrip to town is 100 miles and it costs me $50 in my 1977 400-V8 truck. If that's the price I gotta pay to assert redneckedness, so be it. Anything but libtard. :-D :-D :-D :-D

Don't try to race one (Tesla), it could make your balls shrink. JK on the balls part.

And the two of you can keep your cages, be you a supporter of "values" (embodied in America now as convicted felons and sexual predators) or libtards. Not such what a libtard is exactly...other than...NOT convicted felons and admittedly sexual predators? :-D :-D :-D

The world is weird right now. Proud rednecks...defined by the cage they drive? The farmers tan? Beer! Line dancing!

Cages are for those who can't handle the additional physics of two wheeled 180 mph miles per hour with no safety cage to protect them when hit with a strong cross wind, while occasionally using their knees as outriggers to keep their motorcycle from falling over at 100 mph while going through a corner. Cages are fine for....being safe..... Worked for the wife and kids....until the kids realized the old man had a point...so now we all ride motorcycles and make fun of the wife. Daughter, son, me, last year she let me take her for a ride for the first time in like 10 years.

But cages in general...please!

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby mousepad » Sun 29 Jun 2025, 17:22:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'P')roud rednecks...defined by the cage they drive? The farmers tan? Beer! Line dancing!

Exactly !!!!
They must really have done a number on you in the Appalachian mountains where you grew up. Big mental trauma? that you prefer the suburbs.
I lived in the suburbs of LA for a couple of years. What retards. And the worst of it all? They all think oh how much cleverer they are than the rest of the world, cuddled in their plush gated communities. Shudder & cringe.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 29 Jun 2025, 17:35:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')And the two of you can keep your cages, Proud rednecks...defined by the cage they drive?

Cages are for those who can't handle the additional physics of two wheeled 180 mph miles per hour with no safety cage to protect them ...
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Stop masturbating adam, only old boomer Harley riders talk about cages, sport bike riders never talk that way. Go scrape some rust off your iron pig.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sun 29 Jun 2025, 17:43:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', 'P')roud rednecks...defined by the cage they drive? The farmers tan? Beer! Line dancing!

They must really have done a number on you in the Appalachian mountains where you grew up. Big mental trauma? that you prefer the suburbs.

Is that the reason for adam's psychotic hatred of anything not a Nissan leaf or a home in the suburbs of a dying city. I saw those people in the movie deliverance, funny ears and no teeth. The thing is though, you can take the mountain boy out of the madness, but you can't take the madness out of the mountain boy.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sun 29 Jun 2025, 20:20:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Stop masturbating adam, only old boomer Harley riders talk about cages, sport bike riders never talk that way. Go scrape some rust off your iron pig.


Never ridden a Harley in my life. Road a Buell once. It was interesting, but too expensive for what it was. Don't know who rides what in your chuckle head/banana bending land, other than squids and posers are usually on the big displacement sportbikes. What is the preferred motorcycle of choice in Australia for parrots?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 30 Jun 2025, 00:37:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou still here talking shit adam? Owning a couple of nissan leaf's doesn't make you an authority on EV matters anymore than paying a medical bill makes you a doctor. What you know about all these issues I could fit on an 1.44 meg floppy disk. Learn to use search engines and educate your dull cow brain :roll:


If nothing changes adam... Nothing changes
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')YD's overall battery electric vehicle (BEV) sales in Australia have experienced a recent decline, dropping to their lowest levels in two years. This decrease occurred in the March quarter, coinciding with a broader downturn in overall vehicle sales and a surge in hybrid and plug-in hybrid (PHEV) sales.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby mousepad » Mon 30 Jun 2025, 07:24:28

We just had a tragic accident in our small town. Pickup drove into the oncoming lane and plowed right into a motorcycle. A 20 year old rider. Dead! And by no fault of his own. And right behind him riding was his dad who survived and had to witness all of this. As a volunteer first responder I dispatched. Not a pretty sight.
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