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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 15 May 2025, 05:39:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')It's the opposite. EV sales continue to grow, but at a slower rate than predicted by the hyper optimists like kub. Yet grow they still do.

Really Mouse? According to you? Who are you? Are you an industry analyst? No you are just a guy talking on the internet.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')espite increasing model availability and government incentives, electric vehicle (EV) sales in Australia continue to decline. In January 2025, EVs made up just 4.4% of total new vehicle sales—the lowest market share since October 2022.
https://fleetevnews.com.au/ev-sales-sta ... alia-back/

That's a reputable website, I could supply many more. I don't post up my own arse pickings but stories from leading sites. And that story is mirrored all over the World, in fact Australia was one of the last to see the light.

I don't know why you guys don't face the truth? It's a real mystery to me. The dealerships have, the manufacturers have, even the government has and is scaling back it's support (Globally) for the EV.

I guess it's like they say, the consumer is always the last to find out. I remember when the covid lockdowns were announced, I figured out straight away that prices for anything imported would skyrocket so I went and bought a new ride-on mower, had two more A/C units I was thinking of getting installed and began stocking up on anything I thought I might need in the next couple of years. I even bought a hundred extra rolls of toilet paper. That turned out to be a real win the shortages hit. Well here we are, a few years later and my bank accounts are a lot better off from those investments. That Ride on mower is nearly double the price now, I checked the other day.

But I don't wait for TV to tell me when to buy and sell. I don't watch TV, at all, so I have to use my own brain to figure things out. You should try it sometime.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Thu 15 May 2025, 09:43:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mousepad', '
')It's the opposite. EV sales continue to grow, but at a slower rate than predicted by the hyper optimists like kub. Yet grow they still do.

Really Mouse?

Certainly Mouse has been a reasonable poster here for quite some time, has a functioning brain and checks my math on a regular basis and calls me out when errors are found. And that means Mouse's credibility is orders of magnitude (those who couldn't be bothered to graduate high school can look up how BIG a difference that is) beyond yours.

After all, Parrots aren't smart. They just repeat things they've heard.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')According to you? Who are you?


Mouse is someone with a brain. Grow one, amd maybe you too can join the club of people worth taking seriously.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')espite increasing model availability and government incentives, electric vehicle (EV) sales in Australia continue to decline. In January 2025, EVs made up just 4.4% of total new vehicle sales—the lowest market share since October 2022.
https://fleetevnews.com.au/ev-sales-sta ... alia-back/


Who cares what your backwater country is doing with EVs. I mean, get off your knees and stop servicing your King already and maybe other countries will begin to take you seriously. Not YOU, no one takes a parrot seriously.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('thecluckycountry', '
')But I don't wait for TV to tell me when to buy and sell. I don't watch TV, at all, so I have to use my own brain to figure things out. You should try it sometime.


Well good luck with that. There is a reason why my market tracking investments have whooped gold....and I didn't figure anything out other than PMs are amusing as investments. Do you have any other insights into the minds of how cretin neoNazi's work as they make less off their investments than their betters do?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Thu 15 May 2025, 11:15:08

Global EV sales up almost 30% in April 2025, with the US falling behind

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')hina and Europe were bright spots for the EV market in April, although sales dropped in North America... Global sales of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles increased 29% in April, compared with the same month a year earlier
https://www.euronews.com/business/2025/ ... ing-behind

Stories like this are meaningless. A cherry picked month singling out cherry picked regions. But it gets worse. European EV sales figures also include Gasoline hybrids now, so the data is truly meaningless.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]Global EV sales surged in 2024, though there's a catch

Global electric vehicle (EV) sales rose in 2024 by 25 per cent to set a new annual record, powered in large part by continued growth in demand in China. However, there’s an important qualifier here – the tally includes plug-in hybrids (PHEVs), and the firm doesn’t break out sales between the two propulsion types.

Sales of EVs in Europe, including the United Kingdom, were actually down by three per cent on 2023, which was more than offset by a 40 per cent rise in China. However, Rho Motion notes growth of fully electric vehicles in China was up by 19 per cent, while PHEVs were up by a whopping 81 per cent.
It notes just over one-third of new EVs sold in China during 2024 were from BYD, which exclusively sells EVs and PHEVs.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/g ... es-a-catch

So even the Chinese figures are doctored. Kub was the first to start raving that hybrids were the same as fully electric cars, Goosestepping to the media like a good little fanboi. adam, in his role here as lapdog dutifully followed suit, yapping to back up his masters claims. But it's all Lies to cover up failure basically. Lies to protect the stock price of multi-billion dollar corporations, Lies to make government not look so stupid for backing this crap with all their regulations and incentives.

One day the average man in the street will realize that EV was a failure to launch but by then they won't care. The only people who will are the ones with 8 year old Teslas sitting in the driveway, 6 year old Chinese crap with it's faulty battery packs. People who are slaves basically, wage slaves, tax donkeys, slaves to the whims of their wives, to their neighbors even as they desperately try and project the image that they are keeping up.

I don't want to be a slave to an EV. To have to organize my driving around it's range limitations, to have to drive in a cold car for 4 hours because the heater chews too much electricity, to have to plug it in as soon as I get home or wait till the next morning until the sun's up on the solar. Gasoline cars lifted us out of drudgery and gave us luxury after luxury, the EV is a step backward toward the days when a horse had to be rested for several hours before it could be ridden again and you had to rug up if it was winter.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Thu 15 May 2025, 16:38:53

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')I don't want to be a slave to an EV. To have to organize my driving around it's range limitations, to have to drive in a cold car for 4 hours because the heater chews too much electricity, to have to plug it in as soon as I get home or wait till the next morning until the sun's up on the solar. Gasoline cars lifted us out of drudgery and gave us luxury after luxury, the EV is a step backward toward the days when a horse had to be rested for several hours before it could be ridden again and you had to rug up if it was winter.


You aren't discussing being a slave to an EV. You are discussing being incompetent, stupid and unable to plan your way out of a wet paper bag.

Just as you don't use a crescent wrench when the best tool for the job is a flamethrower, only some lower life form...like a parrot perhaps, would think they are comparable as tools. Both have advantages, and disadvantages. Thinking people know this.

When I want to span North America, I drive an ICE machine of comfort, range and classic style. It is an analog cage in a digital world, but any independent repair shop in North America could fix it if I couldn't on the side of the road, they still remanufacture and rebuild engines and transmissions for it, it is quiet and comfortable, can tow a ton, and do all of this at 90mph on western roads at 2200 rpm.

When I drive around town, I drive a new EV that cost about HALF the real price as my first new car in 1988. Quiet and comvortable, with about double the range I need on a daily driving basis, it costs less than a penny a mile in fuel costs, compared to any of my ICE powered cages. An uneducated halfwit might try and pretend that the flamethrower substitutes for a crescent wrench in a pinch, but that is why they are an uneducated halfwit.

And when one is 90% cheaper to run then the other? Well, anyone NOT a uneducated halfwit would know why an EV might come in perfectly handy for 90% of a regular persons caging to and fro. Except that uneducated half wit. Or a parrot.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 16 May 2025, 22:42:32

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Yes you are a slave adam. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind. I'm trying to free your mind adam. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it.



Electric cars are a dead end
https://theecologist.org/2024/apr/16/el ... e-dead-end
How EVs became such a massive disappointment
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/02/25/cars ... es-in-2023
Global EV sales mandates doomed to fail
https://calgaryherald.com/opinion/globa ... ed-to-fail

Say goodbye to electric cars – mechanics warn they will be nearly impossible to repair
https://unionrayo.com/en/ev-repairs-bec ... mpossible/
For EV Startups, Things Are Going From Bad to Worse
https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ev-s ... p-ffeea1fb
Hybrid battery failures the 'next big negative news story for EV technology'
https://region.com.au/hybrid-battery-fa ... gy/845499/

Comprehensively analysis the failure evolution and safety evaluation of automotive lithium ion battery
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6821000382
EV Fail: Ford Suffers Massive Losses After Pushing Electric Vehicles
https://www.themainewire.com/2024/04/ev ... -vehicles/
Why electric vehicles failed
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... les_failed

You see adam, it's just you and you're outdated 2015 marketing.
Unplug adam. Unplug

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Fri 16 May 2025, 23:16:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Electric cars are a dead end


Again, you simply say something, an idea you like, and then look for evidence to support it. In this case, you don't even understand that regardless of what ultimately happens with EVs, you can't for a second dispute my 100's of thousands of miles with the things. You can't dispute that using them as designed, and taking advantage of that design, means I have a tiny fraction of the running cost of a comparable ICE powered cage.

So it is irrelevant if they are a dead end. They have saved me probably more money in running costs than the value of your "Look at me, I use displacement in my motorcycles to compensate for my lack of ability to actually ride it". Silly squid.

Waste your money on liquid fuels, and believe it is the right thing to do. You don't have what it takes to do anything else.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Sat 17 May 2025, 08:38:11

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 17 May 2025, 12:20:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Yes you are a slave adam. Like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind.


Oh, I think we know who is imprisoned by their mind. Because you can't think for yourself all you've got is movie references and hopes and dreams of a world going down the slippery slope.

Back to work for the high school dropouts...

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AgentR11 » Sat 17 May 2025, 13:07:53

Here's an EV question... I think AdamB lives somewhere cold, or at least occasionally cold. How do the things perform, range wise, when its below freezing for an extended period of time?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 17 May 2025, 14:30:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR11', ' ') How do the things perform, range wise, when its below freezing for an extended period of time?


My understanding of typical lithium ion car batteries, which have been in all 3 of my EVs, is that the optimal temperature is like 78-80F. That matches up with my experience. In big heat, locally 95-105F, the range doesn't seem to be effected, but on one EV the interior A/C was used while driving or charging to attempt to cool them down. I didn't notice performance degradation though, just the reaction of the cage as it tries to bring down battery temperature.

Between 50-90F, all of them have been fine, no noticable difference in range or performance.

By the time temps are below 40F, range drops, my estimate is maybe 10-15% fewer miles for the same kWh used. By the time you are below 20F, I'd say you lose a full 25%. My EVs have always been garaged, the temp is the garage for all of them is almost never below 30F, even when it is -15F outside. So unless the battery is cold soaked, like it is when the wife takes it to work and it sits outside at 0F for 10 hours, I can't say I had enough data at its % drop for extended 0F.


Now, its not ALL battery performance because of temp, you are also running the heater, which is also using kW's you normally wouldn't be at warmer temperatures. Same with high temps, at 80-85F or more, you begin using A/C and that brings down range as well, but not as much. The EV uses a heat pump, I presume it is more efficient cooling the air rather than heating it.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AgentR11 » Sun 18 May 2025, 13:19:14

Hmmm. I didn't think the warm side effects would be so close to what we have down here as a regular occurrence, but that's much better than I suspected on the cold side. I do recall, ages ago, using disposable, but expensive lithium batteries to power my camera in long running cold adventures, neat that they hang in there upscaled to "cages" as you motorcycle folks like to term them. Will be interesting to see where they are when it comes time to purchase my next vehicle.

Also interesting a matrix allusion popped up... I remember long ago, adopting this username to argue with another going by the name, "Neo".!!! lol.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Mon 19 May 2025, 18:00:44

Sanity Prevails
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')GM Urges the Senate to Kill California’s 2035 EV Rules
In 2022, California Governor Gavin Newsom approved regulations banning the sale of new gasoline-powered cars and trucks by 2035. GM foolishly supported the idea. I am pleased to report that sanity has prevailed. The Wall Street Journal reports GM Is Pushing Hard to Tank California’s EV Mandate

“We need your help!” GM said in an email it sent this past week to thousands of its white-collar employees. “Emissions standards that are not aligned with market realities pose a serious threat to our business by undermining consumer choice and vehicle affordability.” “GM believes in customer choice, and we continue to focus on offering the best and broadest ...
https://mishtalk.com/economics/gm-urges ... -ev-rules/

Customer choice, well guess what GM, customers have always had the choice, and those with half a brain have exercised it and bought conventional vehicles over the mobile ipads you offered. Most people never fell for the Lies about climate change solutions, "They will get cheaper" "chargers will soon be everywhere"and unrealistic battery life data. They didn't believe the media or the government. When I say most people I mean the 90+% of the population that outright rejected them. The remaining minority became Vegans, buttonholing everyone they could in an effort to convince them to join the revolution.

Minority groups are all the same with that. They believe "everyone" should share their lifestyle choices and support them and they get very ANGRY when they encounter pushback. I've met a few Vegans, they spend their life soaking lentils and chopping vegetables and oddly enough, adding spices and other Vegan products in a desperate attempt to make their food tasty like Meat is tasty. They bend themselves into pretzels basically and when out and about always struggle to find something they can eat that's free of the evil animal products. The comparison between them and the average EV owner is quite stark. What with the fussing over home charging (You gotta have solar btw) (and ideally a big expensive wall battery) And then when out and about you are faced with very limited choices so you rush back home to top up your EV with free electrons. But are they really free? Of course not! You had to spend a small fortune on installing all the infrastructure, infrastructure that will degrade and fail long before it's paid for itself. Quality solar panels may last 20+ years but inverters and wall chargers not.

Consider a conventional car engine, it's not that expensive to replace, and this is on par with the motors in the wheels of the EV. But whereas the fuel tank on the Gas car costs next to nothing, nor ever wears out, the Gas tank on the EV is half the cost of the vehicle, and in most cases is, for all practical purposes, worn out in 8 years. 90+% of the population figured this all this out long ago and said no thanks but we still have to put up with the Vegan Proselytes who are out there shouting shrilly that we need to be saved from our unhealthy lifestyles :roll:

The car makes got the message, the government has got the message, everyone but the religious nuts still promoting them.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Mon 19 May 2025, 21:27:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Consider a conventional car engine, it's not that expensive to replace, and this is on par with the motors in the wheels of the EV. But whereas the fuel tank on the Gas car costs next to nothing, nor ever wears out, the Gas tank on the EV is half the cost of the vehicle, and in most cases is, for all practical purposes, worn out in 8 years.


I've had 2 not needing a "gas tank" (moron concept from a moron isn't a surprise I suppose) in 10 years. Well, one of them was 9, but fully functional and doing fine at 190k miles.

What is it like to be so ignorant that with the full power of every neuron in one's brain, all you can do is believe first, and then say whatever stupid shit comes to mind to pretend it is true?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Tue 20 May 2025, 02:39:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', ' ')Image



How do we sum up the EV transition?

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Tue 20 May 2025, 08:20:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')How do we sum up the EV transition?


Darned if I know. Transition implies a change to something else, and certainly some people think that. I don't give a crap about a transition, I'm quite happy to get a stone axe reliable machine, that costs a fraction of the running and maintenance costs of the normal cages, and have no skin in the game other than that.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 23 May 2025, 07:52:07

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla Cybertruck sales underperformed in Q1, dropping more than 50 percent compared to sales in Q4 of 2024, reflecting a larger theme for the electric vehicle maker, which has faced market volatility and decreasing sales as its CEO has taken a role in the Trump administration.

Yes, blame it all on politics, not the simple fact that they are ugly, of a poor built, and dreadfully expensive. The herd wakes up slowly, or to put it in the words of the immortal Charles Mackay
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')en, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.


One by one they are waking up to the reality, an EV is a bad choice for a primary vehicle. A weekend toy? Sure, if you can afford it and want a quiet ride somewhere local. But not a vehicle for the average person, and certainly not for all the millions of homeless in the US. The government claims it's only 770,000, but we all know their penchant for understating truth.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n cities like Los Angeles, which happens to have one of the largest homeless populations in the country, 40% of total homeless population was living in vehicles despite certain restrictions.


So, as the nation falls further and further into poverty more and more will transition to living in cars and trucks. The EV is not a good choice for this, for many reasons.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 23 May 2025, 08:11:28

Europe?

Sales of EVs surged in 2024 on demand for plug-in hybrids, IEA study finds
https://www.autonews.com/ev/ane-evs-chi ... owth-0514/

Chinese EV makers sell more plugin-hybrids in the EU to avoid tariffs, research firm says
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos- ... 025-05-01/

So Gasoline hybrids are taking over, masking the decline in actual EV sales. Remember that when you read BS headlines like this one.

Global electric car sales exceeded 17 million in 2024
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ore than 20% of new cars sold worldwide were electric
Electric car sales topped 17 million worldwide in 2024, rising by more than 25%.1 Just the additional 3.5 million cars sold in 2024 compared to 2023 outnumber total electric car sales in the whole of 2020.
https://www.iea.org/reports/global-ev-o ... -markets-2

Now go look at the charts, plugin hybrid gasoline burner (PHEV) sales in China, 4.9M and BEVs 6.4M. They classify both as EV. The sales into Europe are minuscule in comparison. Then there are all the non-plug in hybrid EV being sold worldwide. It's a carefully designed pack of lies to convince people you can drive an electric vehicle and still burn oil. What a joke!
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Fri 23 May 2025, 21:02:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')So, as the nation falls further and further into poverty more and more will transition to living in cars and trucks.


Speaking from experience? Go back to work and stop whining, unless you can find another 50 IQ points, just stay with doing what you have experience in.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby theluckycountry » Fri 23 May 2025, 22:44:12

You should have bought a HEV adam, they are obviously the future, not the EV. You got sucked in by Biden and marketing, admit it, move on and upgrade before next Winter mauls your range again. Range anxiety, what a mental burden to live with :cry:

In the meanwhile this might help

Measures to resolve range anxiety in electric vehicle users

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')nternational Journal of Low-Carbon Technologies Volume 17, 2022
This paper performs a scoping review of articles on range anxiety induced among EV users. It explores user’s perception and actual affecting factors on range of EVs, and proceeds on to measures suggested in the articles to mitigate range anxiety.

Lithium ion batteries used in EVs have almost 25 times lower energy density compared to gasoline used in ICEVs [5]. Due to this reason, the range, which is the distance a vehicle can provide when fully fueled or charged if driven under normal conditions, is limited for EVs compared to ICEVs [6, 7]. The relatively limited range gives rise to a psychological phenomenon called range anxiety in EV users, which is labelled as one of the most crucial barriers in EV adoption, specifically during early adoption phase, eventually hindering the utility of EVs. Overcoming this fear is mandatory for substantial diffusion of EVs in the emerging market
https://academic.oup.com/ijlct/article/ ... 00/6832273

They are scientists so naturally they came up with different mitigation techniques than say Doctors would have. Doctors I would suggest would have gone with Zoloft as the solution, that or any other selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor. Half the nation are on anti-depressants now so it would make little difference.
We're 17 years past the peak now and the 3rd World is going hungry and dark. We'll be next, we're well on the way in fact.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Postby AdamB » Sat 24 May 2025, 14:13:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou should have bought a HEV adam, they are obviously the future, not the EV.

I have bought HEV's before. Two. And then EV's. Had them both at once.

Would you like to discuss them, me (again) from a position of owning both types over more than a decade, and you, a parrot with none?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')You got sucked in by Biden and marketing, admit it, move on and upgrade before next Winter mauls your range again. Range anxiety, what a mental burden to live with :cry:


Again, the parrot pretends something is true because the parrot knows nothing, and then repeats itself. I purchased 1 EV during the Biden administration, and 2 HEVs during Obama's term, and 1 during Trumps.

You don't have to keep proving your stupidity on such a regular basis. We all know you weren't smart enough to do anything other than fail out of public schools, we accept it without you needing to continue proving it.
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