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THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Discussions of conventional and alternative energy production technologies.

Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 16 Apr 2025, 20:27:32

try to stay on topic adam, no one's interested in your hateful rantings.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ew figures released last week reveal that electric vehicles (EVs) accounted for over 14% of all new cars sold in Australia last month—the highest monthly share on record. Data from the Electric Vehicle Council and other sources reveal more than 15,300 battery electric vehicles (BEV) and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles (PHEV) were sold in March.
https://fleetevnews.com.au/new-ev-sales ... -in-march/

Key phrase "and plug-in hybrid electric vehicles" These Gasoline powered battery backup vehicles dominate sales now. The EV revolution may be dead but the manufacturers are cashing in on the "EV" Brand to sell their Gas guzzlers.

Global EV Sales — 1.2 Million Units in February, 49% Growth YoY
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..In the end, plugins represented 19% share of the overall auto market (13% BEV share alone). This means that the global automotive market remains firmly on the path to electrification. ...In the year-to-date (YTD) table, the Tesla Model Y and BYD Song continue firm in the top positions, while the Tesla Model 3 profited from a better performance in February and returned to the 3rd position.

https://cleantechnica.com/2025/04/03/gl ... rowth-yoy/

Unpacking the spin.

Song Plus DM-i A Gasoline hybrid.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he plug-in hybrid version of the Song Plus [Not Available in the US] went on sale in March 2021 in China. ...the Song Plus DM-i was available in 51 km and 110 km variants... This hybrid system provides four major control modes (EV, HEV series, HEV parallel, and engine direct drive)
:wiki.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n June 2024, 32,103 units of the BYD Song Plus DM-i were sold, a year-on-year increase of 35.3% and a month-on-month increase of 0.1%, bringing the cumulative sales to 166,221 units in the first half of 2024. At the same time, 13,458 units of the BYD Song Plus EV were sold, with a total sales volume of 58,435 units in the first half of 2024.

So far, BYD’s new energy vehicles have been sold in 88 countries and regions and more than 400 cities around the world.
https://carnewschina.com/2024/07/22/byd ... ion-sales/

Here you'll find the current 2025 breakdown of Chinese sales for the BYD Song range.
https://cnevpost.com/2025/04/01/byd-sales-mar-2025/

From the article.
The full EV outsold the gasoline hybrid in February, but not by much, and the sales were in favor of the Gasoline variant back in Nov~Dec. But as for the US, one month does not a trend make, especially when the masses are rushing to buy in before tariffs are applied. To my mind part of the motivation for these tariffs were simply an effort to boost sales short term, just like we saw the big boost when Trump was saying he'd reverse all the subsidies when he got into power.

It took a few years for the MP3 player to die off too, replaced by the more practical smart phone, though they do still make them, a niche market. Like adam's Leafs, I have a couple of old iriver MP3 players I use from time to time around the yard, mowing and hedging. I wouldn't rely on them for much else though. That's the future for the All Electric car, a good city runabout, if you can charge it at home and don't mind all the other downsides...
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby careinke » Wed 16 Apr 2025, 21:11:22

Just to keep things in perspective, my AI has this to say on the subject:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat is the best selling vehicle worldwide?

The Tesla Model Y was the best-selling vehicle worldwide in 2024, with approximately 1.09 million units sold. It narrowly surpassed the Toyota Corolla, which sold around 1.08 million units. Toyota also had other popular models like the RAV4 in the top rankings.

Are you surprised by Tesla's dominance, or were you expecting a different result?


I don't think EV's are going away.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 18 Apr 2025, 08:21:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')The EV revolution may be dead but the manufacturers are cashing in on the "EV" Brand to sell their Gas guzzlers.


Obviously you've never owned this type of cage either. I've owned 3. The fuel efficiency of my gas/electric hybrids in terms of fuel used, while using electricity only as a helper, was between 35 mpg and 55 mpg. Your ignorance on the actual performance of these machines is astounding. Deliberate ignorance, because the data is out there. Sorry, I know you go by just what you think, but you can't think for shit.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ') That's the future for the All Electric car, a good city runabout, if you can charge it at home and don't mind all the other downsides...


Other downsides:

1) Fuel cost of $0.008/mile (current TOU charges when fueled at home) to $0.00/mile when I charged one outside a restaurant on Monday. FREE fuel certainly isn't a downside. The wife can charge free at work as well, but the EV range is so large now and the fuel so cheap there is no point unless she wants to.
2) I sold the good city EV runabout for a longer range runabout, and now the wife commutes 80 miles a day, and when she gets home I take it and run another 50 miles when required. And then the boy borrows it. And then we fill it overnight, and do it all over again if we wish.
3) My EV is capable of accepting QC now, so I checked out some of those charging stations in case I want to cross country. Don't like what it might cost me in ultimate battery life though, I'll stick with slower charging and less potential thermal degradation.
4) 5 years of the last EV ownership and 40k miles resulted in the horrendous maintainence cost of 1 set of tires. And a rear window wiper blade.

Those who want to not like EVs can certainly not like them. But they can't do it because of what they cost. Or how much their maintenance is. Or how unreliable they are. Or how short range they are. They can just not like them, and PRETEND they are bad in some way.

It is okay to want to burn expensive liquid fuels and suffer regular expensive maintenence regularly (because these folks just like spending extra money for fun?) for the capability to drive 300 miles (also a capability of modern EVs) and then fill your tank in 5 minutes and do it again. But those folks don't do that very often, and generally pretend it is important as just another excuse to bash something they don't understand. Common among the uneducated, or Third Worlders, or uneducated Third Worlders working in a Chinese mining conglomerate somewhere.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 18 Apr 2025, 08:26:50

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', '
')I don't think EV's are going away.
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Seems like a completely reasonable statement to me, based on my decade of use and 100,000's of miles. And the price for a new one recently? Geez...I'm seriously considering taking the money I sold the old one for, it would allow me to put a 50% downpayment on ANOTHER new one, and get one for myself as a spare.

The only downside from my perspective is weather. When computers are between your right foot and the wheels, weird things can happen in slick conditions, like getting stuck in the driveway with nothing but a smear of snow on the ground. The car's computer doesn't want those wheels to spin.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 21 Apr 2025, 19:04:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hat was once worth more than Ford, Chrysler and Dodge combined and had a share price of $2000?
In a debut worthy of a Hollywood movie Nikola opened with a spac merger though it had been faking making viable EV for some years. Its rise was fueled by bold promises from founder Trevor Milton, who was later convicted of securities fraud in 2022 for misleading investors about the company's zero-emissions technology. Phoenix, Arizona-based Nikola, delivered its first vehicle in December 2021. A series of fire incidents involving its electric trucks in 2023 resulted in a recall of all its vehicles and raised safety concerns.

Today the stock is worth 11-cents, quite a fall from grace, but typical of many covid era darlings.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/yourmoney/a ... uptcy.html
https://www.google.com/search?client=fi ... 24&dpr=1.5

Many companies are like this, Potemkin companies with a lot of promises and a nice front but behind the scenes they are worth far less than they sell for in the market. The EV dream which captured the imagination of a gullible public back in the covid era has given place to the A.I. dream. You can see that here with the posts of inke, it's all a rosy future with robots tying our shoe laces before we take an autonomous air cab to the park to sip wine and listen to poetry (written by AI's no doubt) Those of us with rational minds look askance at this twaddle, remembering all the hoaxes that came before we check the fundamentals, find them grossly wanting, and dismiss it for what it is, an investment bubble, an investment trap.

No one talks about the bright future of the EV now. No one raves about the shale oil miracle that will transform America and the rest of the world. (Yes we had those snake-oil salesmen down here too!) And in 5 to ten years no one will be chattering about robots and AI either. The average person holds up their iphone as proof of this glowing future but the mobile phone itself is now a non-event. It's mature technology and hardly changes from year to year. Everyone has one and more often than not wastes an inordinate amount on time on it playing games or posting banalities on social media. There is basically no constructive uses for them, they are entertainment. Sure you can pay bills with them, so what? The end result of that is you save a few seconds in the line at the bakery and walk out with no idea what you just paid, because they never look. Mobile devices have not helped the people at all, just enslaved them.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 21 Apr 2025, 19:40:38

Rivian

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')nyone surprised by the Rivian sales numbers, 36% YOY decline? I thought for sure Rivian would experience a pretty sizable increase with all the huge numbers of Tesla owners selling or switching from the now permanently toxic Tesla brand...

A typical reddit post but it states the fact. Rivian is going out the back door as well, and that with the threat of tariffs looming for the Chinese junk. So what's the problem with sales? Lets hear the Spin first shall we.

Rivian's Q1 Sales Fell 36% Amid L.A. Wildfire Fallout

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he American EV startup said it delivered 8,640 vehicles from January through March, a year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter drop...
https://insideevs.com/news/755425/rivia ... ries-2025/
What do real people have to say (from the comments)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')-Well ignoring that, I have a hard time believing that one relatively tiny geographic area is that significant to their business. But I heard they also didn't go well with first generation Irish immigrants who don't have red hair and speak Spanish. /sarc

Corporate Spin aside we all know why Rivian sales have collapsed, basically it comes down to the old saw
"You can fool some of the people all of the time"... The rest of the people know an $80k EV is a gross waste of money. It's an across the board thing of course, EV are being left on the lots in favor of gasoline hybrids as whatever greenies are still out there are happy to burn oil as long as they can still look "green" while doing it. Why do i call hybrids out as a joke? because they were always sold as a "Transition" vehicle, a step to true EV. Well we had that transition and now we're going back, back to the Toyota Prius basically.

The transition came and went, it was a failure, so we can scrap the 1/2 and 1/2 earlier versions as well because they make no sense at all! Why spend extra to have two engines in a car? Two fuel tanks so to speak. A propulsion system that needs both to work in concert for the car to perform properly on hills or overtaking. Truly only an idiot would buy a hybrid they way they are sold now. But why buy one at all if you're still going to burn oil? Save the money and the future depreciation when the battery fails and stick with an ICE car. But the public is a fickle beast, just look at how they have rejected Tesla over politics, and Musk has little to do with the company now, his role it titular basically.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')esla shares dropped almost 6% on Monday, a day ahead of the company’s first-quarter earnings report.
Investors are seeking answers about CEO Elon Musk’s plans for the automaker, as he spends much of his time with the Trump administration, slashing the U.S. federal government.
The company’s stock is now down 44% for the year thus far after wrapping its worst quarter since 2022 in March.
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/21/tesla-s ... eport.html

If adam can scratch together the funds to buy a used one for his wife he better be good at repairing it, because Tesla may not be around in the years to come. He and his wife both fall into the category "You can fool some of the people all of the time." :P

They even made a movie about those two

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby careinke » Tue 22 Apr 2025, 03:55:07

I bought more TSLA today' and transferred more FIAT over to Robinhood hoping for a nice drop after earnings call. It feels like Christmas, or maybe Black Friday. :-D I just started buying TESLA this year. Most investors think TESLA is just a car company. Silly them.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 22 Apr 2025, 11:43:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')No one talks about the bright future of the EV now.

Well, that depends on who you talk to I suppose. You probably don't talk to anyone except others like yourself, it is called an echo chamber. You seem to revel being in one.
At the end of the day my ev is nothing but a cage. Just a really, REALLY inexpensive to buy and operate one. You want to dump 5X more costs into your operating expenses for basic transport? Hey...I've always said, and you keep proving, that being uneducated isn't a virtue when it comes to money.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')No one raves about the shale oil miracle that will transform America and the rest of the world.

Not sure what southern hemisphere make believe world you live in (oh wait, yes I do know, prisoner DNA, uneeducated, yup) but it did transform America. We are a net energy exporter for years now, that hadn't happened in decades, we are the world's largest producer of oil and gas, and the largest LNG exporter on the planet.

So yes...miracle...not any more....just...normal exceptionalism.

Don't worry, you'll figure out how to make a car and build a Ferris wheel someday, with luck immigration and breeding the stupid out of natives is BOUND to bring up average Australian IQs some century or another.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 23 Apr 2025, 15:29:40

Another blow to Rivian sales

Wildfire Scorches 8,500 Acres In New Jersey, Shuts Down Stretch Of Garden State Parkway
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Mon 05 May 2025, 03:25:58

May 4, 2025
Tesla’s Europe Sales Collapse Deepens as Musk’s Politics... Spin Spin Spin.

The truth? Oh it's out there.
3 days ago — Europe EV Sales Report — The King (Tesla) is Dead, Long live...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '.')..Besides plugins, the other current major winner is plugless hybrids, with HEV sales jumping 25% YoY to 37% share. That's a significant increase over the 31%...

Finally, looking at the sales breakdown between the remaining powertrains, besides the usual steep fall of diesel sales, down 27% YoY to 7% share now, petrol is also in a death spiral. Petrol vehicles saw their sales fall by 20% YoY, and their share dropped to 28%.

Besides plugins, the other current major winner is plugless hybrids, with HEV sales jumping 25% YoY to 37% share. That’s a significant increase over the 31% HEVs had 12 months ago. This means that 63% of all car sales in Europe in February had some kind of electrification.
https://cleantechnica.com/2025/05/01/eu ... olkswagen/

So petrol sales down 20%, but petrol powered HEV are up 25%. Lets face it, ignoring the BS classification of the HEV as an EV we can observe that the peoples' of Europe are becoming more and more impoverished. Poor people don't drive far and the HEV is a good short-term choice for such. These cars are super economical because they are low powered (Gutless) but I would argue that a small japanese car would be more efficient but no one want's to drive a 3-cylinder do they.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')ith these numbers in mind, one can say that diesel sales should effectively be dead in about three years time, while petrol should share the same fate a few years later (2031? 2032?)

What these Dickheads are trying to do is convince the public that no one will be buying petrol in 7 years time. And in concert with that try and sucker as many as possible into buying hybrids.

My fundamental gripe with the hybrid, other than the fact it's false advertising, is that these vehicles are unnecessarily complex. They have two drive-trains, neither of which can function properly without the other. If the car runs out of gasoline it will quickly run out charge since the battery is charged off the Gas engine. If the Electric half fails then you have lost half your power for hill climbing and rapid acceleration, overtaking, etc. They are a marriage made in Hell as far as future reliability goes yet the dumb public is lining up in droves to buy them :roll:

Nissan LEAF Battery Replacement Cost Explained

They have the industry standard as far as warranties go, But...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '-')Warranty does not cover battery issues stemming from damage, either from road debris or other puncture
-Battery problems in LEAFs that are kept in excessive heat (temps over 120℉ for more than 24 hours) or cold (-13℉ for more than 7 days) are also not covered
-Warranty is also revoked if you let the battery drop to a low or empty state of charge for more than 2 weeks
-If your LEAF has the 24 kWh battery pack, capacity is only covered by warranty for 60 months (5 years) or 60,000 miles. The capacity coverage on these packs will already have expired.

Nissan is currently using two larger battery packs in the LEAF: the 40 kWh pack and the 62 kWh pack. You can expect replacement costs for these packs at about $6,500-$7,500 for the 40 kWh battery and $8,500-$9,500 for the 62 kWh LEAF battery.

Doesn't sound too bad does it? But 7~10 grand, on a 8 or 10 year old car, who will honestly pay that? Car prices would have to have risen a LOT to justify sinking that kind of money into an old car. The Tesla doesn't suffer from this conundrum because the Tesla battery is integrated into the frame of the car and to replace it, the entire car has to be disassembled. Those replacements are so expensive no one will consider doing it.

Sustainability? When a car only lasts 8~10 years? Welcome to the world of everlasting deceit.

https://www.findmyelectric.com/blog/nis ... explained/
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Mon 05 May 2025, 08:15:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Nissan is currently using two larger battery packs in the LEAF: the 40 kWh pack and the 62 kWh pack. You can expect replacement costs for these packs at about $6,500-$7,500 for the 40 kWh battery and $8,500-$9,500 for the 62 kWh LEAF battery.

Doesn't sound too bad does it? But 7~10 grand, on a 8 or 10 year old car, who will honestly pay that?


Again, the ignorance that comes from lack of experience is revealed.

I've got the 40 kWh battery. Replacement costs sound pretty high, in my case when compared to paying $11G US for the car itself. However, why didn't you mention the warranty on at least this battery?

8 years and 100,000 miles. And this isn't for a battery that stops working, or is defective in some way, this is if the battery degrades below a certain limit. Nissan promises that if it does...I'll get a new battery. And if there is one thing my hundreds of thousands of miles with EVs and gas/electric hybrids has taught me ( as opposed to the ignorance of the uninformed and uneducated), the entire value of the car IS the battery.

Some folks are PLANNING to constantly use DC on their Leafs, their plan is to degrade the battery within the warranty, get a new one, and effctively have a near new car to use for yet another decade. I found the idea interesting, but I am more of a "take care of your stuff" kind of guy, and am willing to bet that the kind of care my other batteries have had, leading to 100,000's of thousands of trouble free miles, will also work on my new Leaf.

Of course Lucky, you feel free to continue to miss these particulars, lacking experience with EVs and..well...most everything else that requires thinking for yourself.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', ' ')
Sustainability? When a car only lasts 8~10 years? Welcome to the world of everlasting deceit.


My older Leaf was already a decade old, sold for about 50% of what I paid for it, has only degraded by about 15% or so, and there wasn't a single thing wrong with it. It has another decade in it most likely. It was outstanding at its job as a "town" car. My new Leaf with more than double the range, is an excellent "city" car. Even with only 150+ miles of range, in a large metropolitican area it comes a full days worth of trips and running and still has electrons to spare.

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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 06 May 2025, 02:01:38

You have two of those junkers in the driveway don't ya adam? Amazing isn't it, any old Gas powered car can be patched up, a new donk from the breakers tossed in if needed, but a leaf, it's a boat anchor when the battery dies. At a time when the Planet's metal and fossil fuel resources are in decline the Blob goes on an extravagant spree wasting more and more. Not that it matters, 1970 or before was the window of opportunity to turn the ship around, when the "Reset" comes and 99% of the world's population loses access there will be plenty still available for those with the means.

Roughly 50% is still in the ground and probably 20% of that is economically viable to extract. More than enough. The population and wealth explosion was the problem, from 1.5 Billion at the beginning of last century to 8.2 Billion currently. Too many mouths for the available resources.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 06 May 2025, 12:53:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', 'Y')ou have two of those junkers in the driveway don't ya adam?

Again, you can't remember what was written can you? I sold the 2015 Leaf for about 60% or so of what I paid for it 4 years ago.

And the new one is not a junker. it is new. And quite efficient, after 2800km (converted in Commie units for the countries that don't have exceptional American units :lol: ) I have determined that under similar operating circumstances it has an 18% increase in miles/kWh.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Amazing isn't it, any old Gas powered car can be patched up, a new donk from the breakers tossed in if needed, but a leaf, it's a boat anchor when the battery dies.

When an ICE machines runs out of fuel, it stops. When my EVs run out of electrons, they stop.

You are under the impression this isn't a true statement? Or are you just stupid, and don't understand that the battery can be replaced on my Leaf? Just as an engine can be replaced on an ICE machine costing, a battery can be replaced on an EV.

But while they are running, my EV has fuel and maintanence costs that are fractions of normal running costs of an ICE powered dinosaur.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 06 May 2025, 14:17:46

35 House Democrats Join Republicans To Kill Biden's Preposterous EV Targets

So the Lies Kub and adam swallowed hook line and sinker are finally exposed, and by many of the very people who perpetrated them. American politics is so totally fucked up it's hard to image a worse arrangement. perhaps Nero or Caligula could trump them for aggrandizement and waste but I doubt it.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Trump Smartly Employs the Congressional Review Act. The Congressional Review Act allows Congress to nullify rules taken in the final 60 days of a prior administration. Trump is using the CRA to kill California’s ability to set EV standards for the Nation. Many Democrats are howling, but 35 House Democrats support Trump.
What Is the CRA...
https://mishtalk.com/economics/35-house ... v-targets/

I was hoping by this stage of the EV debacle, people would be having serious talks about how the toxic mess is going to be cleaned up, but oh no, it's all about hiding it under the rug. All the chatter about EV battery packs at end of life revolves around repurposing them for household batteries. Now here's the thing. They claim the batteries are useless in cars once they reach 70 or 80% capacity, but they assume that someone would want to go to the trouble of installing such in their home, when it's on its last legs?

Well adam_b perhaps, he'd be happy to wake up to a silent fridge and wait until the suns up enough to restart it, but the rest of us demand a little more reliability from our home systems. Of course with the chatter no mention is made of the cost of removing these packs from the cars, a very expensive proposition I assure you, very labor intensive. And it has to be done 'gently' of course because the batteries get grumpy if damaged.


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Basically you'll have this hanging on your wall, unless of course you want to pay an extra grand or two to have it disassembled and repacked into a more normal household arrangement. That after sending it to China probably :lol:

Or perhaps inke's humanoid robots will do all the work of repackaging for us?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 06 May 2025, 14:46:58

Personally I can imagine a lot of these old EV will simply be parked up in some fields and left to rot like the Chinese are now doing. Or they can toss them in the ocean like all the DDT drums of yesteryear. One thing I can assure you of though, they won't be recycling them on a large scale because the money isn't in it. It's far cheaper to extract the raw materials they are composed of from the earth than from the batteries where they are in combination. Lead acid batteries lend themselves to recycling as daily experience testifies, that's where the Lion's share of lead comes from too BTW.

Google A.I Bullshit: type in "major source of lead for industry" and get
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')I Overview-- The primary sources of lead for industry are lead smelters and ore and metals processing, particularly in the production of lead-acid batteries. Other significant industrial sources include waste incinerators, utilities, and lead-acid battery manufacturers. Additionally, industries like mining, e-waste processing, and used battery recycling contribute to lead exposure.

Read it again, it's like a 10 year old wrote it cutting and pasting, it makes little sense.

Now type in "recycling major source of lead for industry" and you get this instead.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')I Overview-- Yes, recycling is a major source of lead for the industry, particularly for lead-acid batteries. Discarded lead-acid batteries, including those from automobiles, are a primary source of scrap lead, making up a significant portion of secondary lead. In fact, it's estimated that over 90% of the lead used in new batteries in developed nations comes from recycling old batteries...

Not in "developed nations" you idiot! In ALL nations, especially Africa and India where most of it's done by hand. (God help them) A.I. is NOT Artificial intelligence, it's server farms running around the web extracting information and stringing it into what mimics intelligent prose. The results are full of errors, it's basically piss poor plagiarism. Why do most people accept it? Because they are functionally illiterate themselves and can't discern they are reading crap. The media has told them AI is all knowing, all smart, and that along with 40 years of AI in the movies and on TV shows has convinced them so. Even intelligent skeptics have trouble discerning the BS, such is the power of the media and the repetitive movie imagery.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '')Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”, is a law of propaganda often attributed to the Nazi Joseph Goebbels.
Read this if you want to know the extent of your ignorance. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/2016 ... n-of-truth

Now what does Yale edu say of Lead
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')n estimated 85 percent of lead in use today goes into batteries, mostly for automobiles. And when the batteries run down, 99 percent of this lead is recycled to make new batteries.
https://e360.yale.edu/features/getting- ... lth-hazard

So don't waste your time with A.I. At best it's bullshit, brainless. At worst it's a propaganda machine where no one is called into question over the Lies. That all boils down to "Who's" programming it behind the scenes.

Why am I harping on about lead Acid batteries? Read the Yale article above and you'll see, it's a pollution nightmare all across the globe. Now imagine the toxic nightmare that will be left behind from all the EV waste.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n California last month, the state auditor reported that thousands of homes, along with schools and parks, in a 3.4-mile-wide zone around a former battery recycling factory near Los Angeles remained contaminated, because of delays in a $650-million cleanup that the now-bankrupt former factory owner, Exide Technologies, will not fund.
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Tue 06 May 2025, 17:11:49

Ford Shares Slide After Net Income Plunge

Sorry Henry, idiots took over after you left.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ord Motor's first-quarter net income plunged to $471 million from $1.3 billion a year earlier, as EV losses and production halts took a toll, the company said Monday. The electric-vehicle division lost $800 million, down from $1.3 billion, helped by lower material costs and stronger pricing.

We noted after the company's Q1 report that CEO Farley faces continuing challenges, including overhauling the company’s EV strategy to curb losses and cutting high warranty repair expenses. The automaker lost a record $5.1 billion on EVs last year and expects that deficit to widen to as much as $5.5 billion in 2024.
https://www.wsj.com/business/earnings/f ... yURL_share

High warranty repair issues...
Buyer beware.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')arranty claims for electric vehicles (EVs) are 30-50% higher, on average, than for comparable internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicles, new research suggests. Analysis of EV warranty claims for 2023/2024, by Warranty Solutions Group (WSG), found that the most common issues involve battery charge control modules, costing an average of £1,311 to repair, power distribution boxes (£747), warning lights (£875), and shock absorbers (£588)
https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/electr ... pair-costs

Shock absorbers... Can you guess why?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Tue 06 May 2025, 22:39:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')So the Lies Kub and adam swallowed hook line and sinker are finally exposed, and by many of the very people who perpetrated them.


What lies? All I did was buy a few cages with electric drivetrains, they are crazy cheap to operate. I ain't no fool flushing money down the drain just to move from point A to point B like some of these ICE powered folks.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')American politics is so totally fucked up it's hard to image a worse arrangement.


How about countries so gutless they'd prefer to collectively perform fellatio on their King rather than grow a pair, stand up, and throw off the yoke?

Something their betters did centuries ago. Now run along, your King doesn't want to self pleasure himself....
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Wed 07 May 2025, 04:29:04

The environmental costs of EV batteries that politicians don't tend to talk about

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'D')ead battery dilemma
"The rules are non-existent," said Mark Winfield, a professor at York University in Toronto and co-chair of the school's Sustainable Energy Initiative. "There is nothing as we talk to agencies on both sides of the border, the federal, provincial, state levels. "In the case of Ontario, the answer was actually that we have no intention of doing anything about this."

When asked for its response, the Ontario Ministry of the Environment, Conservation and Parks did not return a request for comment from CBC News. Winfield said the fact there is no public policy on the disposal of EV batteries is concerning because a number of the chemicals and components used to make EV batteries, such as cadmium, arsenic and nickel, are listed as toxic under the Canadian Environmental Protection Act (CEPA) and simply can't be thrown into a landfill.

"You would think given the nature of these products and also the scale of the potential looming problem, as you know, when the EV sales move into the tens of millions and every one of those ultimately is going to result in an end-of-life battery. One would have expected regulators to be a little bit further ahead of the curve."

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/london/d ... -1.7042384

Just one more thing the public never considered when the "Great Transition" was proposed. But though the EV itself is going out the back door, the Gasoline hybrid is coming back in a big big way and those small packs will add up to a big problem in the decades to come. So much for the Prius being a transition vehicle...
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby AdamB » Wed 07 May 2025, 12:15:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('theluckycountry', '
')Just one more thing the public never considered when the "Great Transition" was proposed.

Don't know what the public thinks, in the normal distribution of intelligence they are as likely to be as ignorant as you or not, and I don't even know what the "Great Transition" is.

I just bought my electrics for low cost of operation. Drove them around, paying next to nothing beyond tires. I can see how some folks might like spending 10X / mile more caging to and fro....no big deal. Now, those who seem to LOVE paying 10X more for caging to and fro....like you....I don't know what to say. Enjoy spending 10X more than you need to? Clap yourself on the back for being clever and smart?

And with 250K battery use across multiple electrics now, I haven't had any battery issues beyond the expected slow decrease in capacity with time and miles.

Maybe you should try one Lucky? Then you wouldn't just have to be a parrot for what others say? I mean, you might be uneducated and a neoNazi, but these don't preclude you from using what few functioning neurons you do have to improve yourself. To, like, the intelligence of a 9th grader?
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Re: THE Electric Vehicle (EV) Thread pt 16

Unread postby theluckycountry » Fri 09 May 2025, 00:40:53

adam and kub were sooooo wrong, so deluded, so sucked in. No wonder kub's run off, the embarrassment with each new nail in the coffin must be galling :oops:
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