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Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby dissident » Tue 29 May 2018, 00:25:00

The more virulent the disease, the more self-limiting it is. If victims die too fast, then it can't propagate effectively. It would require infected vectors to be deliberately shipped via air all over the world to spread the disease. If Ebola was like the flu it would have spread out of Africa already.

So the new viri that we have to worry about are those that are more virulent than the flu strains we get each year, but which is likely much less virulent than Ebola. It is possible for Ebola to evolve less virulent strains but this cannot be predicted.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 29 May 2018, 04:30:01

And presumably, the less virulent, the greater the number of people who will not succumb to it!
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 29 May 2018, 04:43:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', 'A')nd presumably, the less virulent, the greater the number of people who will not succumb to it!


One problem are Ebola walkers infected with the Ebola (Zaire) virus but not have any symptoms spreading the virus to the world via sexual or surface contacts like HIV/Noro virus.

The West African outbreak told us that there are Ebola walkers with no symptoms spreading the virus.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4852896/

Sexual transmission of Ebola virus disease (EVD) 6 months after onset of symptoms has been recently documented, and Ebola virus RNA has been detected in semen of survivors up to 9 months after onset of symptoms. As countries affected by the 2013–2015 epidemic in West Africa, by far the largest to date, are declared free of Ebola virus disease (EVD), it remains unclear what threat is posed by rare sexual transmission events that could arise from survivors.


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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 29 May 2018, 18:11:48

Yes MBS, you are talking about "The time before the symptoms of a viral infection appear is called the incubation period. "
But also period of being contagious see link below
https://www.nhs.uk/chq/Pages/1068.aspx?CategoryID=67
Obviously, the most dangerous combination is a long incubation period during which you already are contagious.
But specifically in terms of virulence, it involves method of infection and how lethal the pathogen is. What experts are very worried about is an extremely lethal pathogen like Ebola able to transmit itself airborne like the Flu.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby onlooker » Tue 29 May 2018, 18:14:18

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A very large range in the incubation periods of different viruses
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Wed 30 May 2018, 02:43:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('onlooker', '[')attachment=0]2018-05-29-17-47-24-956977044.png
A very large range in the incubation periods of different viruses


The Ebola Virus like HIV is @ its best place it could survive=spread in humans : male ejaculat


Freetown/Frederick – Das Ebola-Virus kann im Hoden von männlichen Patienten länger persistieren als bisher angenommen. In einer laufenden Querschnittstudie im New England Journal of Medicine (2015; doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1511410) waren Virusgene bei einem Viertel der Patienten noch sieben bis neun Monate nach der Erkrankung im Ejakulat nachweisbar. In einem Fall kam es 155 Tage nach dem ersten negativen Bluttest zu einer sexuellen Übertragung der Viren (New England Journal of Medicine 2015; doi: 10.1056/NEJMoa1509773).
https://www.aerzteblatt.de/nachrichten/ ... infektioes
https://boris.unibe.ch/82142/1/Abbate%2 ... 202016.pdf
http://www.laboratorio-italia.it/ebola- ... one-61084/

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WHO plans for 100-300 Ebola in Congo cases over 3 months
90% of people at risk in the city of Mbandaka were vaccinated, a senior WHO official says
Thomson Reuters · Posted: May 29, 2018 10:38 AM ET | Last Updated: May 29

The exponetial WHO factor is (Ebola Cases)* 1,01^t , t=days

Compare with my first factor 1,12^t

The problem are the male Ebola walkers growing exponetially infecting other humans via positiv Ebola ejaculat.
So we must have a vaccine for human mankind very soon like the one against small pox
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 05 Jun 2018, 04:57:50

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/06/05/heal ... index.html

(CNN)As health care workers battle a deadly Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, one important tool has been promising in preventing spread of the virus but can be difficult to carry out: contact tracing.

That's the process of identifying and assessing the health of people who have been exposed to Ebola virus disease, in order to prevent further spread of the virus, according to the World Health Organization....
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Outbreak still active; response pace builds
Meanwhile, the World Health Organization (WHO) said in a Jun 1 situation report that the outbreak remains active, with the most recent lab-confirmed case reported in Iboko.

It said the response continues to ramp up on many fronts. For example, Early Warning, Alert, and Response (EWAR) systems and field data collection tools have been deployed to Mbandaka and are being established in Iboko. Also, health officials mapped out 115 entry points at high-risk transmission areas, including airports, river ports, bus stations, and markets.

A mobile lab has been deployed to Iboko, and several social mobiliziation efforts are under way, such as an awareness campaign that targeted traditional healers and birth attendants with Ebola information and gloves....

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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 05 Jun 2018, 09:29:28

M_B_S, I will only say that this is Part 6 of the Ebola thread, and the first message in Part 6 was posted in 2006. Ebola may be a serious issue, but we are managing it successfully. Think about that.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 05 Jun 2018, 11:44:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'M')_B_S, I will only say that this is Part 6 of the Ebola thread, and the first message in Part 6 was posted in 2006. Ebola may be a serious issue, but we are managing it successfully. Think about that.


Lol

That was disprooved 2014 in West Africa ~ 50.000 deaths (implies collateral) inofficially

Thanks for the poor advice

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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby KaiserJeep » Tue 05 Jun 2018, 12:08:42

Sigh. People just cannot do mathematics. 50,000 deaths out of 7.6 Billion humans is 0.00658%. YES, it's a particularly nasty way to die. So is the fever, nausea, diarrea, and sweats of common strains of influenza, which killed an estimated 646,000 people in 2017. Influenza is far deadlier because it is less intense, and sufferers from the flu spread it before displaying any symptoms.

I know that you can reason, you simply must develop the habit of thinking before speaking. Start a thread on Influenza, and maybe you'll get some responses that don't amount to criticism of your thinking skills. After all, influenza is 13X as deadly as Ebola on average, and in 1919 the Spanish Flu Pandemic killed an estimated 20-50 million people.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 05 Jun 2018, 12:36:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('KaiserJeep', 'S')igh. People just cannot do mathematics. 50,000 deaths out of 7.6 Billion humans is 0.00658%.

Yes. Every year recently (though the rate is slowly dropping) nearly .8% of people in the world died.

.8% of 7.6 billion people is 60,800,000 people. So in the nightmare Ebola scenario cited, that year, Ebola caused less than one in 1200 of the global deaths that year.

Somehow, compared to things like cancer and heart disease, or even accidents and suicide, Ebola just doesn't look that alarming given the historic numbers.

But of course, just like with the economy, it's fun to spread FUD for as many subjects as possible. /s


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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 05 Jun 2018, 13:56:58

Lets heare the MSF Doctor @ place

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Lk5w3kSf7k

Humanitarian medical NGO, Doctors Without Borders has launched an appeal to raise funds to fight an ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKxxegPjdW0

Ebola in DR Congo: how Mbandaka''s school are raising awareness

History is warning us all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUBpoyKxArU

Dying at the Hospital Door: Ebola Virus Outbreak | The New York Times
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Mon 02 Jul 2018, 07:17:57

Good News :-D

https://www.sciencealert.com/congo-ebol ... -contained

We Have Some Great News About The Ebola Outbreak in Congo
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Wed 25 Jul 2018, 12:37:45

Great news confirmed on DRC Ebola outbreak.

Looks like it's official. WSJ (behind a pay wall, but I got to the beginning of the article through a Yahoo link for free.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/congo-decl ... yptr=yahoo

And from The Guardian, not behind a paywall:

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')DRC Ebola outbreak is officially declared over

World Health Organization praises government response and international support

The Ebola outbreak in the Democratic Republic of the Congo has been declared officially over, thanks to a major response from the government and support by an international community determined to prevent the sort of spread that killed more than 11,000 people in west Africa three years ago.

There were 53 cases and 29 deaths in the DRC outbreak that began in early May, but a massive effort began to contain it as soon as the government declared it was Ebola. Although DRC had successfully contained and closed down eight Ebola outbreaks in the past four decades, the most recent appeared on the Congo River, the main arterial transport route through the country.


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/ ... lared-over

And kudos to MBS for posting the much improved news July 2nd in the post above -- making these threads about real, balanced, news makes them MUCH more useful.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby M_B_S » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 01:35:54

August 06, 2018
New Ebola Outbreak in Congo

HealthDay News — Just a week after being declared Ebola-free, the Democratic Republic of Congo said yesterday that a new outbreak of the deadly virus has killed at least 20 people.

Authorities in North Kivu Province notified the country's Health Ministry on Aug. 1 of 26 suspected cases of Ebola, including the 20 deaths, Health Minister Oly Ilunga Kalenga, M.D., Ph.D., said in a statement, The New York Times reported.

Samples from the six survivors were tested this week, and four were positive for Ebola.

This is the 10th time since 1976 that Ebola has threatened the Democratic Republic of Congo, The Times reported. The previous outbreak lasted a few months and killed at least 33 people. It was declared over on July 24....
https://www.infectiousdiseaseadvisor.co ... le/785774/
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 11:28:23

Still so ridiculous to see Ebola tagged with “pandemic”. Especially given: “…determined to prevent the sort of spread that killed more than 11,000 people in west Africa three years ago.” From Merriam-Webster: “: occurring over a wide geographic area and affecting an exceptionally high proportion of the population. The 1918 flu was pandemic and claimed millions of lives.”
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby Cog » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 12:00:20

If your country practices basic sanitation(No dancing with the dead) and have basic medical services and precautions, the likelihood of ever having an Ebola pandemic is basically zero.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 14:26:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f your country practices basic sanitation(No dancing with the dead) and have basic medical services and precautions, the likelihood of ever having an Ebola pandemic is basically zero.


Not exactly true. It is true as long as the transmission process remains as it is; bodily fluids.

However, if it ever mutates to airborne transmission then things get interesting. It happened once, just outside DC. A strain of Ebola mutated to air Irene transmission but it was contained within the lab and that variant did not appear to effect humans. So it is possible.
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby Outcast_Searcher » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 14:33:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'I')f your country practices basic sanitation(No dancing with the dead) and have basic medical services and precautions, the likelihood of ever having an Ebola pandemic is basically zero.


Not exactly true. It is true as long as the transmission process remains as it is; bodily fluids.

However, if it ever mutates to airborne transmission then things get interesting. It happened once, just outside DC. A strain of Ebola mutated to air Irene transmission but it was contained within the lab and that variant did not appear to effect humans. So it is possible.

And if pigs grew wings, it's possible they might fly some day.

It's possible the fast crash doomers are right and tomorrow (or VERY soon now) the financial system will be truly "destroyed" by debt, fulfilling their collapse fantasies.

But is wild speculation about what could potentially (at EXTREMELY long odds) happen news? Or just rampant attention-seeking speculation, complete with large bright red fonts?

Because since we have finite time and there is a LOT of data flowing by daily, focusing on something close to objective reality, re news, is a "thing", IMO.

(Free speech, etc. -- speculation is fine -- but it ought to be labeled as such, just out of common courtesy for peoples' time, IMO).
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Re: Ebola Pandemic ?!? Pt. 6

Unread postby Newfie » Tue 07 Aug 2018, 20:17:52

I think it depends. It seems pretty clear that the MSM are not really up to the task of keeping us informed about what is really important. So we need to dig for ourselves. In the process we probably turn over a lot of stuff that is not really of emergent interest, it’s kinda like shifting garbage looking for a clue.

We find something interesting and share it to see if it’s really a clue or not.

I don’t mind the big red fonts too much. Yeak, over hype. But he does keep feeding us with info I find interesting and that is not readily available (to me) elsewhere.
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