$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')he Democrat party needs to be thankful that the recount didn't happen in Michigan. In Detroit, the tabulated results weren't matching the amount of paper ballots in the machine. In other words, there was no paper ballot to match what those heavily Democrat precincts were reporting.
In Detroit precinct 152, only 50 ballots were found to be in the box but that precinct reported 300 cast in this heavily Democrat area. In other cases, ballot box containers were found to be duct taped instead of having the required security seals or the seal numbers didn't match what was in the poll book.
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Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by vtsnowedin » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 07:00:01
That should start a criminal investigation by Federal dept. of Justice officials after inauguration day.
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Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by Cog » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 08:09:54
As loathe as am I to have the Feds involved in issues that are more appropriately handled by the states, I am forced to agree with you. The Obama administration has never taken the legitimacy of the voting process seriously and has fought voter ID and many other steps that would insure one person, one vote, prevails.
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Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by vtsnowedin » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 08:44:16
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'A')s loathe as am I to have the Feds involved in issues that are more appropriately handled by the states, I am forced to agree with you. The Obama administration has never taken the legitimacy of the voting process seriously and has fought voter ID and many other steps that would insure one person, one vote, prevails.
Well I certainly don't trust the Democrat officials in Detroit to do a fair and complete investigation of their own misdeeds.
And I also expect the media to gloss it over and come out with the same old mantra about there being no evidence of voting irregularities.
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Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by Cog » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 09:05:46
Did Obama encourage illegals to vote? I will post the entire exchange below in a November 3rd interview so I don't get accused of editing the content. But it is clear the journalist was indicating that illegals would vote and was wondering whether they would be investigated by ICE if they did so. Obama should have immediately answered that illegals can't vote. That is the law of this land but instead he said that at the end of the interview. His statement, "When you vote you are a citizen" is blatantly wrong.
The take-away I got was that he was at least reassuring illegals that no harm would come to them if they went ahead and cast votes. They would not be deported.
Full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLt-a6dI_0
RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.
RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.
OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...
RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.
OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.
The take-away I got was that he was at least reassuring illegals that no harm would come to them if they went ahead and cast votes. They would not be deported.
Full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLt-a6dI_0
RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.
RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.
OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...
RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.
OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.
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Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by Newfie » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 14:57:42
Yeah, I suppose it could be argued he didn't really understand the question the way it was phrased. His last statement seems clear.
But anyway, it strikes me that our USA election processes are nothing to be proud of. I think Jimmy Carter said something similar after the Florida fiasco. IIRC he has a lot of experience monitoring elections in third world countries and ours did not set a good example, did not compare well.
I used to be for a popular vote. But I can't imagine having to go through this cluster 50+ times. The ElectiriL College system at least localized the recount.
Also, I now can see how the Conneticut Compromise effectively works. One may argue the wisdom of the system but is as intended.
It does seem some revamp of our voting systems in order and it does seem the states are incapable of effecting same. I don't think the Feds are any better. Seems we are doomed to messy elections and recounts.
But anyway, it strikes me that our USA election processes are nothing to be proud of. I think Jimmy Carter said something similar after the Florida fiasco. IIRC he has a lot of experience monitoring elections in third world countries and ours did not set a good example, did not compare well.
I used to be for a popular vote. But I can't imagine having to go through this cluster 50+ times. The ElectiriL College system at least localized the recount.
Also, I now can see how the Conneticut Compromise effectively works. One may argue the wisdom of the system but is as intended.
It does seem some revamp of our voting systems in order and it does seem the states are incapable of effecting same. I don't think the Feds are any better. Seems we are doomed to messy elections and recounts.
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Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by Plantagenet » Thu 08 Dec 2016, 15:06:50
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'D')id Obama encourage illegals to vote? I will post the entire exchange below in a November 3rd interview so I don't get accused of editing the content. But it is clear the journalist was indicating that illegals would vote and was wondering whether they would be investigated by ICE if they did so. Obama should have immediately answered that illegals can't vote. That is the law of this land but instead he said that at the end of the interview. His statement, "When you vote you are a citizen" is blatantly wrong.
The take-away I got was that he was at least reassuring illegals that no harm would come to them if they went ahead and cast votes. They would not be deported.
Full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLt-a6dI_0
RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.
RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.
OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...
RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.
OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.
The take-away I got was that he was at least reassuring illegals that no harm would come to them if they went ahead and cast votes. They would not be deported.
Full interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLLt-a6dI_0
RODRIGUEZ: Many of the millennials, Dreamers, undocumented citizens -- and I call them citizens because they contribute to this country -- are fearful of voting. So if I vote, will immigration know where I live? Will they come for my family and deport us?
OBAMA: Not true. And the reason is, first of all, when you vote, you are a citizen yourself. And there is not a situation where the voting rolls somehow are transferred over and people start investigating, et cetera. The sanctity of the vote is strictly confidential in terms of who you voted for. If you have a family member who maybe is undocumented, then you have an even greater reason to vote.
RODRIGUEZ: This has been a huge fear presented especially during this election.
OBAMA: And the reason that fear is promoted is because they don't want people voting. People are discouraged from voting and part of what is important for Latino citizens is to make your voice heard, because you're not just speaking for yourself. You're speaking for family members, friends, classmates of yours in school...
RODRIGUEZ: Your entire community.
OBAMA: ... who may not have a voice. Who can't legally vote. But they're counting on you to make sure that you have the courage to make your voice heard.
This is partisanship at its worst. The Ds want more illegals in the country and here Obama is openly encouraging them to illegally vote.
I can see where it helps D politicians if more illegals come into the country and vote D, but I'm not sure that it is good for the country as a whole.
Surely the US needs some immigration...but how much? And which immigrants are best for the USA economy, irregardless of whether they vote for the D party or not?
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Re: Computer scientists say strong evidence of election hack
by vtsnowedin » Fri 09 Dec 2016, 06:07:41
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '.')...
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Surely the US needs some immigration...but how much? And which immigrants are best for the USA economy, irregardless of whether they vote for the D party or not?
The USA does not need any immigration. We have plenty of talent being born and raised right here. We can absorb some immigration especially of intelligent and ambitious people but we don't need them per say.......
Surely the US needs some immigration...but how much? And which immigrants are best for the USA economy, irregardless of whether they vote for the D party or not?
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