[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Trump said sunday that millions of people voted illegally.

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')t's statements like that that I hear as hysterical.

[Cog]

So KGB agents are running around with thumb drives and loading up their malware on thousands of voting machines in three states and no one ever noticed? This makes the 911 Truther folks look rational by comparison.

By the way Jill Stein paid her 3.5 million but Wisconsin says it will actually be 3.9 million so they want another check. Michigan is saying it will cost about the same so you Dems better get busy donating. Don't want Jill to run out of money.

[Cog]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'S')o KGB agents are running around with thumb drives and loading up their malware on thousands of voting machines in three states and no one ever noticed. This makes the 911 Truther folks look rational by comparison.

[Sixstrings]

Video link for the court proceedings in Wisconsin.

It starts out with Professor Halderman on the witness stand:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')isconsin Judge Hears Arguments Over Possible Recount
https://youtu.be/DztjvcdNV3A?t=133

[Newfie]

Pops

Trying to stick to facts here. I found a couple interesting articles but can't post links.

Google
Pennsylvania's aging voting machines could be 'nightmare scenario' in the event of a disputed election

And

Unto Themselves’: Experts Show How Pa. Voting Machines Work

In summary most PA machines are 1980s era devices with chips that RECORD the tally. From what I can make out the machines are not in any way susceptible to an Internet or USB drive type hack. They are not that sophisticated.

Hacking requires physical manipulation on a unit by unit basis. I think it said 80% of machines fall into this catagory.

Anyway, that's what I got from googling PA VOTING MACHINES and PA VOTING MACHINES HOW THEY WORK. But you have to wade through tons of idiotic stuff to get to meaningful articles.

[Cog]

Pennsylvania has 9000 locations to vote. From my experience, you generally have at least eight or nine machines even in the very small precincts. Many more at the larger precincts. So lets say 80000 machines, on the conservative side, you would have to individually program to skew the results. How is that even a possible thing? How come no one saw these programmers breaking into court houses, city halls, and carrying out their Mission Impossible type hacks?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'P')ennsylvania has 9000 locations to vote. From my experience, you generally have at least eight or nine machines even in the very small precincts. Many more at the larger precincts. So lets say 80000 machines, on the conservative side, you would have to individually program to skew the results. How is that even a possible thing? How come no one saw these programmers breaking into court houses, city halls, and carrying out their Mission Impossible type hacks?

[dissident]

You are missing a vital detail, Cog. The Russian spies are invisible.

[Cog]

MADISON, Wis. —



The Latest on Green Party presidential candidate Jill Stein's request for a recount in Wisconsin (all times local):

8:45 p.m.

A Wisconsin judge has refused to order local officials to conduct the state's presidential recount by hand. Each county can do the recount in whatever manner they choose. Most will feed them back into the machines again as its quicker and less prone to error. Imagine that.

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politic ... rylink=cpy

[Sixstrings]

The judge did say though, that she thinks everyone strongly encourages the counties to hand recount, but she says it's the county level decision:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]“I will allow the 19 counties to do the recount the way they intended. I think everyone strongly encourages them to do the recount by hand, but it is their decision,” Bailey-Rihn said.
http://wbay.com/2016/11/29/elections-officials-make-calculation-error-in-recount-cost/

[Cog]

A machine count will be less prone to error and they will get the results by the mandated December 12th date. We don't want to keep those electors waiting to cast their vote for Trump.

[Newfie]

If what I read about PA is right it's all over now anyway. 80% of those machines are so old they can't be "hacked" and there is no paper to recount. All you can do is run the same numbers over and see if they still add up.

Cog, Thanks for reminding me of the Conneticut Compromise, although I probably heard it by the Great Compromise. I had either not heard or forgotten the electoral college tie.

I used to support a popular vote. But after Florida and now this I can see that, besides the original intent, the college system makes pieces use recounts simpler. I can't imagine what a nationwide recount would look like or how long it would take. At least now the trouble spots can be localized and focused upon.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'I')f what I read about PA is right it's all over now anyway. 80% of those machines are so old they can't be "hacked" and there is no paper to recount.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]The No-BS Inside Guide to the Presidential Vote Recount

The Ballots in the Electoral "Dumpster"

The nasty little secret of US elections is that we don't count all the votes.

For more original Truthout election coverage, check out our election section, "Beyond the Sound Bites: Election 2016."

In Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania -- and all over America -- there were a massive number of votes that were simply rejected, invalidated and spoiled; they were simply not counted. Officially, in a typical presidential election, at least three million votes end up rejected, often for picayune, absurd reasons.

The rejects fall into three big categories: provisional ballots rejected, absentee and mail-in ballots invalidated and in-precinct votes "spoiled," spit out by a machine or thrown out by a human reader as unreadable or mismarked.
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/38553-the-no-bs-inside-guide-to-the-presidential-vote-recount

[Cog]

Jill Stein has no idea what she is talking about in reference to blank ballots. We used the exact same scanned ballots in Illinois and that is complete BS. I will explain why after observing early voting and election day voting as a poll watcher. But my steak dinner won't cook itself so back on here later.

[Cog]

OK my steak is resting so I will explain how the optically scanned paper ballots work in practice. If you have ever filled out a standardized test in school by filling in the bubbles it works just like that. Here is how the process works after the voter has filled in the ballot:

1) Voter takes ballot to the machine enclosed in a paper sleeve

2) An election judge, Democrat or Republican has the voter insert their sleeve into the machine. The machine grabs the paper ballot and then one of a few things happen

3) The machine accepts the ballot, the counter on the machine goes up one digit in count and the voted gets a "I voted" sticker.

) The machine throws a code that says the voter has not filled out the all the bubbles for the various elected offices. Remember, you are voting for all sorts of people on the ballot not just the president. At that point, the voter can take the ballot back to the booth and fill it in or hit the accept key on the machine to accept the ballot if they don't feel like voting for the next county dog catcher. The election judge manning the machine is forbidden to hit that accept key for the voter.

5) The machine throws a code indicating you have voted for more than one person for the same office. The machine won't accept that ballot. The ballot is then spoiled and put in an envelope and the voter is given a new ballot. This happens more frequently than you can imagine.

So when Jill Stein says there were 75,000 blank ballots, meaning nothing on them, she is full of shit. Can I believe a lot of people didn't mark anything on their ballots for president? Yes I can.

[dissident]

As usual the facts are all about details. The typical mass media consumer sap just goes by what sounds right. In other words, they are fresh meat to be manipulated at will.