[SumYunGai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'i')ts funny, I think I have begun to 'suffer' from this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersona ... n_disorder but actually more ands more I realise that there never was a me and it was all a trick anyway.

[Tikib]

How is it useful to know that I don't exist?

[onlooker]

Sum if I am understanding you right, your arguing about how we always act in our self interest and how our self interest is subsumed into our basic underlying makeup as well as the larger community in which we live.
I argue that we have some free will and autonomy within that context you define. You decide to log onto PeakOil.com not because you have some overriding mandate but because you chose to as it appeals to you in some way. And so we all have daily chores and routines we must or should attend too but that does not preclude our ability or desire to wander off into random chosen thoughts or actions like going to a park or thinking of the Universe.
Granted that our thoughts and actions are delineated by our nature and natural limitations and basic needs but within those paramaters we have a vast panoply of options and choices we can make or not. Again it is a matter of degrees. Are we totally autonous and free from our natural limitations and basic makeup , NO, but we are free within those boundaries to exercise free will of thought and action. Basically it comes down to all humans logically follow the basic onus characterized as the desire and need to feel good and not feel bad.

[SumYunGai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'H')ow is it useful to know that I don't exist?

[Newfie]

Sum,

What's your background?

I just glossed your writing but I like what I saw. I'll need to revisit.

It seems we have similar views.

Two books that influenced me are E O Wilson "Social Conquest of Earth" and by a Canadian author " Mother Nature is Trying to Kill You". The latter guy coined the term "meat robot."

[sparky]

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Sum an eddy in the stream do not "exist" , it's the river water and will disperse
but it will drown "you" if the circumstances are right .

Ants have not developed intelligence and are not affected by it's side effect ,stupidity

[SumYunGai]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newfie', 'S')um,

What's your background?

[Newfie]

I'm just an Electrical Engineer, but more of a cranky old guy who yells at people for designing rabbit holes. Really more of a constructor. But I read a bit.

[Tikib]

You don't read a bit, for all intents and purposes the past is destroyed as we move forward in time...

[sjn]

Sum, Newfie, I too share very similar views. I'm a free software coder/hacker. My health is often too poor to work professionally. Maybe it's something to do with systems engineering aptitude?

[Newfie]

Interesting thought about systems. Most engineers I've worked with don't really understand systems. Just their bit. I put a lot of effort into developing a Systems Integration project management approach for large design build construction projects in the transit field. While we were pretty darn successful, (on time, on budget, no claims) I've never been able to convience sufficient people of the value of our efforts.

IMHO very few folks can truly comprehend systems in their rich complexity.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SumYunGai', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'd')ie like everything else.

[Tikib]

But anyway human civilization is kinda hilarious when you think about it. It should be obvious to everyone who's ever lived that existence is entirely pointless on any level. And yet we have continued to exist for 10,000 years and called ourselves intelligent.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'B')ut anyway human civilization is kinda hilarious when you think about it. It should be obvious to everyone who's ever lived that existence is entirely pointless on any level. And yet we have continued to exist for 10,000 years and called ourselves intelligent.

[Tikib]

Your still thinking about things like a human. Rather than a nonentity.

None of those things there have any value.
Great music has no value, understanding our world has no value, learning to ride a bike has no value.

We are all just falling through time towards our deaths. There is no value in pleasure because it ends.

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tikib', 'Y')our still thinking about things like a human. Rather than a nonentity.

[Tikib]

You still don't get it, read what the others have said. There is no 'you' , its merely an illusion created by your brain. Your merely a process towards death. Seriously think about the fact that one day soon you won't even be an illusion. And then you will realise that nothing matters at all.

[Cog]

You get invited to many parties Tikib?

[Tikib]

Sigh.

[Tikib]

Theres no value in going to parties.