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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 08 Jul 2016, 19:23:06

Speaking of untapped reserve thank goodness before President Obama has left office he finally got his Interior Dept. to get its act together and develop the regs allowing us to go forward with plans to develop all our Arctic reserves:

US Interior finalizes Arctic exploratory drilling regulations
07/07/2016

The US Department of the Interior on July 7 announced final regulations for exploratory drilling activities on the US Arctic Outer Continental Shelf (OCS) that require firms to have plans in place should a safety or environmental issue arise during operations.

The final rule focuses solely on floating vessels within the US Beaufort and Chukchi seas, requiring firms to implement proper internal controls and planning for oil-spill prevention, containment, and responses—issues identified by previous Interior reports on Royal Dutch Shell PLC’s 2012 exploration activities in the Arctic.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 08 Jul 2016, 19:33:11

And just in the nick of time:

US oil well completions fell 69% in the second quarter compared with year-ago levels, the American Petroleum Institute estimates in its 2016 Quarterly Well Completion Report. Estimated exploratory gas well completions in the second quarter decreased 84% year-over-year. So far this year, development well footage has declined 53% while exploratory well footage has declined 64%, the report indicates.

Some may recall how some cornucopians were bragging back in 2015 about how completion counts were still not looking too terrible. Remember Rockman's response: LAG TIME. IOW wait until the last half of 2016 and first half of 2017.

Not difficult to be correct when one has lived with the lag dynamics for 41+ years. LOL.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Fri 08 Jul 2016, 19:51:48

Z - And for your continuing education: if you can't beleive the estimates from a writer you never heard of who works for a national oil company well known for its lack of transparency. And notice this is a negative piece describing a DECREASE in the rate of reserves growth:

DECLINE IN ANNUAL RATE OF INCREASE
07/04/2016
Gongming Yu Yijun Wang. China National Petroleum Corp.

"Recoverable reserves of hydrocarbon liquids will grow 614 billion bbl from 2014 to 2044. Natural gas reserves will increase 87 trillion cu m (tcm) in the same 30-year period. This estimate results from a new region-specific model for assessing global reserve growth. The model reflects regional conditions and resource characteristics in estimating reserve growth by using a new method called "segment-accumulation multiplier." This methodology can forecast reserve growth more accurately than previous means, given its focus on region-specific factors. "

Wow...a better "multiplier"! I wonder if that's something like billions of oil times X = Y bbls...the number management told him he had to calculate. LOL. But don't laugh too hard: I've seen exactly done more then once in US companies.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby AdamB » Fri 08 Jul 2016, 23:17:34

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ontingent and potential have undiscovered components? I didn't know that.

The definitions are clearly outlined by SEC and other securities exchanges. The following chart shows the probability distributions for reserves and resources and shows (as I pointed out) that resources are divided into discovered but sub-commercial (Contingent) and undiscovered (Prospective). The “technically recoverable resources “ would fall into these categories.

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Interesting that the USGS doesn't buy into the "unrecoverable" angle, any more than the EIA paper does. It is only a matter of cost, because from a technical standpoint, everything can be recovered, the creation of the wellbore itself being the most basic mining operation. Can you see wringing out sample bags to recover all the oil? It'll cost ya, but it can be done!

I don't like the entire "low estimate", "high estimate" language either. It doesn't properly capture the uncertainty involved, probability doesn't require the kind of scenario modeling implied by those words. Scenario's are a poor mans probability estimate, hell, it doesn't even have to be a probability estimate, you can just lay down 3 guesses, and label them with probabilities, with zero knowledge if, in fact, those are really the probabilities for your scenarios.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Fri 08 Jul 2016, 23:48:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'ve said this before: I never look at the economics presented on an exploration well? Why would I: every one, with not one exception ever, shows a very juicy profit potential. Just as every one of the dry holes I've seen drilled. I've always based my recommendations on the logic supporting a prospect...not the economic outcome proposed. I've drilled many profitable wells but seldom have they found 100% of the projected reserves.


when you have limited choices or are looking at one offs it ends up being a bit of a seat of the pants game. However when you are at a bigger company with a number of potential opportunities you absolutely have to consider a few things regarding economics...1. risked NPV (ie the chance of success multiplied by the NPV10 of the project), 2. time to payout (waiting more than 3 or so years to get paid back doesn't make sense unless it is a huge project), 3. return on investment (I always used discounted profit to investment ration DPR but there are other measure). When you have a number of opportunities and need to compare them an economic comparison is essential. At the same time you need to take risk into the equation. The analyses that Pete Rose always pushed are the best for that. So unlike your experience I always looked at the economics on a risked basis and then looked for the key potential failure and whether or not it could be mitigated. The play might make sense geologically and from a engineering perspective but even if it is successful and has a low chance of making money .....well thats a fools errand.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 00:05:24

Adam - It's also important to understand the process. When I evaluate a prospect and GUESS a probability of succces I study the specific structure map, stratigraphic distribution map, log analysis of critical wells, production history of critical offset wells, any seismic data available and another half dozen or so data sets. And that's to come up with the Ps just for that one prospect.

And if has been drilled, completed and produced for some period of time I use that data and all the pre-drill I mentioned above to generate a URR estimate. But neither the EIA, AEI or any other "think tank" has tha data on even a handful of wells in a trend let alone a miningful number of them because companies don't supply that data. All they have is audited reserve reports (just for US pubcos and nothing from private companies like mine). The Feds and most state regulators get much of that data. But understand the volume of that data: it would take all the personnel of all those agencies decades to evaluate the data they receive in just one year.

Now ask yourself how those numbers are generated by non-govt groups if they don't have specific data. And then ask how they can then come up with a number for risked reserves. With that in mind folks might want to dig a little deeper into their "process".
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby AdamB » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 07:26:15

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'A')dam - It's also important to understand the process. When I evaluate a prospect and GUESS a probability of succces I study the specific structure map, stratigraphic distribution map, log analysis of critical wells, production history of critical offset wells, any seismic data available and another half dozen or so data sets. And that's to come up with the Ps just for that one prospect.


Why do you need to guess to assemble the probabilities? Assembling a calculation based on the parameters you mention is easy, and then the probabilities are delivered to you.

Just as RocDoc does a risked value (who doesn't?), this volume potential then has a probabilistic risking structure dropped on top of it. While I've discussed these things with Pete before, I am not familiar with his software at all, generally you can build these types of models from scratch to keep all the calculations honest.

There is no need then for scenarios because the given probabilities fall right out of the calculation.

This also works for a probabilistic calculation of composite probability, another approach that some are more familiar with because it doesn't require the type of fully integrated probabilistic modeling capabilities I am describing.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rockman', '
')And if has been drilled, completed and produced for some period of time I use that data and all the pre-drill I mentioned above to generate a URR estimate. But neither the EIA, AEI or any other "think tank" has tha data on even a handful of wells in a trend let alone a miningful number of them because companies don't supply that data.

All they have is audited reserve reports (just for US pubcos and nothing from private companies like mine).


The EIA can require of you, and anyone else operating here in the US, your reserve information. There is no restriction on their authority to collect information from only public companies. And of course they use DI data or IHS data just like everyone else, any log information required to be turned into the state.

But they also aren't worried about doing 1 well EUR answers, the systems from the science/analytical organizations all concentrate on doing tens of thousands of wells at a time because that is what they do. The law of large numbers underpins quite a bit of that type of work.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rockman', '
')The Feds and most state regulators get much of that data. But understand the volume of that data: it would take all the personnel of all those agencies decades to evaluate the data they receive in just one year.


Amazing that they have done so well, with so few people. You are making me feel better about how my tax dollars are used.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rockman', '
')Now ask yourself how those numbers are generated by non-govt groups if they don't have specific data. And then ask how they can then come up with a number for risked reserves. With that in mind folks might want to dig a little deeper into their "process".


Easy...their P90 won't be the same as yours. There is no "right" P90, there is the way someone with full access to proprietary information and the ability to use it P90, and then there is a P90 from someone else using less information, and not being able to use it as well. Both are reserve calculations, one is of higher quality.

But if you do 1 P90 using your method, and an organization can do 1,000,000 P90's using their system, one is more useful at the macro scale, and the other is not.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby shortonoil » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 08:37:25

"That's what they said about the shale revolution as well. Turns out it made the US into the world's largest natural gas producer, narly doubled our oil production and came within a whisker of repeaking it and turned it into the fastest growing production rate in our nation's history, and we are on path to be net energy independent by 2018 according to the EIA. "

The Shale is an industry with $362 billion per year in gross sales that required over $1 trillion in investment to construct. If it pays zero percent interest on that $1 trillion investment, and returned a 10% profit margin on gross sales it would require 27 years to just pay back its initial investment.

In the world of business that is called a LOSER. Anyone else would call it just another government funded waste of money. Putting another coat of paint on this pig is just going to give you a freshly painted pig.

At this point the best move to make would be to shoot it an eat it - before everyone goes broke trying to feed it!
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sat 09 Jul 2016, 09:01:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')The Shale is an industry with $362 billion per year in gross sales that required over $1 trillion in investment to construct. If it pays zero percent interest on that $1 trillion investment, and returned a 10% profit margin on gross sales it would require 27 years to just pay back its initial investment.

Interesting take you have on the math there. 27 years ? sounds like a house mortgage to me. Usually you service debt from total sales before you declare a profit. So in 27 years at 362 billion ignoring future price increases you get 9.8 trillion$ in gas. Sounds like a ten to one ratio but it does not take into account needed ongoing drilling expenses needed to keep up production. That is where the costs that will make or break the industry lie. It all comes down to how desperate we are for gas and how much we are willing to pay for it. Right now it appears to be cheaper to import it from the Middle East but that will eventually change one way or the other and when the price is right we will frack every rock in the US that even smells of oil or gas.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 02:50:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')what is a right price?

Any price high enough to turn a profit for the company producing the oil.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby Tanada » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 07:33:20

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '
')what is a right price?

Any price high enough to turn a profit for the company producing the oil.


I think given our very complicated tax/fee system that is a hard number to estimate. When I was growing up many 'regulated' companies had either a fixed sale price, or a small fixed percentage of profit they could receive from doing business. For the oil and gas industry there was a fixed price they could sell Natural Gas for which was too low to provide an adequate supply by the early 1970's leading to shortages. For regulated utilities like Detroit Edison electric company, or the TVA it meant that to justify any new project or improvement they had to convince the regulatory board to approve the expense and the commensurate rate increases to pay for the project.

Price fixing outright was a failure so other than as thought problems I do not support that, and regulatory oversight comes with its fair share of problems as well. The question boils down to, does the so called Free Market, with all the distortions now pushed into the system, work better or worse than regulatory oversight?

Most of that 'untapped oil' will not be accessed because the economy will have a very hard time paying for it. IMO the concept of disposable consumerism is one of the root uses of our inability to pay for high energy costs. Heck even many of the Environmentalists I know do not live any differently than their neighbors, they still buy a lot of plastic disposable junk and drive long distances on a routine basis. The illusion that if everyone becomes an Environmentally conscious individual BAU will rapidly change is not even remotely supported b the facts on the ground. People still throw trash on the ground in the park, and throw away a lot of half eaten food, and throw away a lot of still functional electronics simply because it is no longer the latest greatest iteration. The disease is the throw away culture. That culture is what lead IMO to the current short term oil glut, and what will lead many short memory people to buy foolish things to drive while prices are cheap.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby ROCKMAN » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 12:14:58

Adam - There is no software that can calculate the probability of any individual prospect. Never had been and never will be. Think about: has ever dry hole drilled (or ever will be) had a Ps of zero? If so why did it get drilled. As far as using trend statistic think about this: field discoveries are not equally distributed over time: again never has happened a never will. The reason Hubbert's projection worked was because it was developed based upon very mature trends where the bulk of production had already been produced.

Drilling Info, etc provides nothing sufficient to map reservoirs. But if one wants to gather all the log data available and generate reservoir maps (without seismic data since almost none exists in the public domain) have at it. But same problem: completely insufficient manpower available to the folks you mentioned. Which is why we only see gross numbers by them and not detailed reservoir maps: that's all they have...their MODELS. Models that can be constructed in a very tiny amount of time compared to an actual mapping effort.

Sorry but there's no way to debate this subject with someone who has never had to earn a living generating drilling prospects: way too much to educate you and others to understand the complexity of the process.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 12:44:38

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '.')...
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Most of that 'untapped oil' will not be accessed because the economy will have a very hard time paying for it. IMO the concept of disposable consumerism is one of the root uses of our inability to pay for high energy costs. Heck even many of the Environmentalists I know do not live any differently than their neighbors, they still buy a lot of plastic disposable junk and drive long distances on a routine basis. The illusion that if everyone becomes an Environmentally conscious individual BAU will rapidly change is not even remotely supported b the facts on the ground. People still throw trash on the ground in the park, and throw away a lot of half eaten food, and throw away a lot of still functional electronics simply because it is no longer the latest greatest iteration. The disease is the throw away culture. That culture is what lead IMO to the current short term oil glut, and what will lead many short memory people to buy foolish things to drive while prices are cheap.

I think people will quickly adapt to the new reality of higher oil prices that will make most goods and services cost more and reduce disposable income.
$5 gas will make you car pool. $10 gas will make you move to within walking distance of your job or the commuter rail line. You will not buy a new anything until the old one is fully worn out and beyond repair. You will wear wool cloths in winter and open the windows in summer. And you will not turn your nose up if a coworker smells like he just rode a bike five miles to get to work.
Look at how people dealt with the great depression and the rationing of WW2. When pressed we humans can be very frugal and very creative.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 14:25:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dam - There is no software that can calculate the probability of any individual prospect.

That is not quite true. There is a lot of software out there that will calculate the probability distribution of reserves in a well, prospect or field based on Monte Carlo simulations. The requirement on the user is to input the range of p10, mean and P90 of each of the reserve variables based on their detailed analysis. Examples are Logicoms REP (Reserves Evaluation Programme), Merak (now owned by Schlumberger) Reserves software and Rose and Associates LSI toolbox. What is churned out is a distribution of the reserves in the prospect, field etc meaning that you are 50% certain it is equal to or bigger than a certain size, you are 90% certain it is bigger than a certain size and you are 10% sure it is bigger than or equal to a certain size.
Many companies (myself included over the years) use their own spreadsheet tools such as Crystal Ball or @Risk to create the same distributions as there tends to be more flexibility in the approach (more options to control distribution types).
Rose added in the ability to apply risk analysis at the well/prospect or play level based on the premises originally discussed by Megill, Capen and others. By dividing up the risk elements into 5 or more categories you come up with an assessment of overall risk. That prospect etc risk is multiplied by the reserve distribution. As an example if you came up with an oveall prospect risk of 45% COS and the P50 reserve is say 50 MMB then the chance of of finding greater than or equal to 50 MMB is ~22%.
This sort of analysis is powerful when applied to portfolio’s of projects or to a large number of fields etc. Rose’s studies indicate that the main reason oil companies had a spate of very unsuccessful exploration in the eighties was all to do with “seat of the pants or gut feel” decisions being made. As with anything where probability is used you need a fairly large database or number of chances to get the right answer. Just like when you flip a coin you might flip 10 tails in sequence but after several hundred flips it is pretty well assured your heads versus tails will be 50:50.
The dry hole issue on a prospect basis is something that has been analyzed extensively as well. What we thought was most important was not overall risk but critical risk. For example if you divide your risk up on a prospect success to be reservoir presence/quality, seal presence, trap presence, migration and trap preservation by multiplying up the individual risks you might get a 40% COS, very healthy for exploration plays. But it might also be that one of the risks, lets say seal presence is only 40% in this equation. Essentially you are saying there is more of a risk of seal not being present than being present. If seal fails the play fails. So it is the critical risk that needs to be looked at.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 18:45:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')dam - There is no software that can calculate the probability of any individual prospect.

That is not quite true.


bet your backside.

Sorry Rockman, this one is a done deal.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '
')Many companies (myself included over the years) use their own spreadsheet tools such as Crystal Ball or @Risk to create the same distributions as there tends to be more flexibility in the approach (more options to control distribution types).


OGRE

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rockdoc123', '
')Rose added in the ability to apply risk analysis at the well/prospect or play level based on the premises originally discussed by Megill, Capen and others. By dividing up the risk elements into 5 or more categories you come up with an assessment of overall risk. That prospect etc risk is multiplied by the reserve distribution. As an example if you came up with an oveall prospect risk of 45% COS and the P50 reserve is say 50 MMB then the chance of of finding greater than or equal to 50 MMB is ~22%.
This sort of analysis is powerful when applied to portfolio’s of projects or to a large number of fields etc. Rose’s studies indicate that the main reason oil companies had a spate of very unsuccessful exploration in the eighties was all to do with “seat of the pants or gut feel” decisions being made. As with anything where probability is used you need a fairly large database or number of chances to get the right answer. Just like when you flip a coin you might flip 10 tails in sequence but after several hundred flips it is pretty well assured your heads versus tails will be 50:50.
The dry hole issue on a prospect basis is something that has been analyzed extensively as well. What we thought was most important was not overall risk but critical risk. For example if you divide your risk up on a prospect success to be reservoir presence/quality, seal presence, trap presence, migration and trap preservation by multiplying up the individual risks you might get a 40% COS, very healthy for exploration plays. But it might also be that one of the risks, lets say seal presence is only 40% in this equation. Essentially you are saying there is more of a risk of seal not being present than being present. If seal fails the play fails. So it is the critical risk that needs to be looked at.


Stop in at an SPEE meeting Rockman, they are usually in Houston or Dallas, and they will pummel you with individual wells, prospects, resources plays, you name it, probability distributions all, calculated all the way down to porosity estimates and whatnot. I know XOM has been doing this since at least the 80's, worked with one of their retired modelers who built them. Nowadays they are quite a bit easier because, as Rockdoc said, you can build your own from scratch.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby AdamB » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 18:55:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '.')...
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Most of that 'untapped oil' will not be accessed because the economy will have a very hard time paying for it. IMO the concept of disposable consumerism is one of the root uses of our inability to pay for high energy costs. Heck even many of the Environmentalists I know do not live any differently than their neighbors, they still buy a lot of plastic disposable junk and drive long distances on a routine basis. The illusion that if everyone becomes an Environmentally conscious individual BAU will rapidly change is not even remotely supported b the facts on the ground. People still throw trash on the ground in the park, and throw away a lot of half eaten food, and throw away a lot of still functional electronics simply because it is no longer the latest greatest iteration. The disease is the throw away culture. That culture is what lead IMO to the current short term oil glut, and what will lead many short memory people to buy foolish things to drive while prices are cheap.

I think people will quickly adapt to the new reality of higher oil prices that will make most goods and services cost more and reduce disposable income.


You learned how. So did I, all of us who have been living since 1969 when the final "cheap oil" was achieved, and since then we have been living in this higher priced world.

It hasn't appeared to be that hard, except in the 70's when we were running out (as opposed to the modern version, referred to as "peaking") and it led to rationing and whatnot. The early 2000's "peaking" went far better than the "running out" proclaimed in the 1970's, states didn't even have rationing this time. Just some higher prices, which created more volume and dampened demand, and presto, time for a roadtrip!!

Yo Vt, I just took a ferry across Champlain, drove through North Hero, then St Albans, Hyde Park and Newport, left the state on the east at Guildhall.

You need to get some road work done, your back roads were patched and pretty crappy. NH has you beat, heck the Mount Washington road has vermont roads beat.

So what does cheap fuel mean, caused by peak oil increased production and lower prices? ROADTRIP!!

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') $5 gas will make you car pool. $10 gas will make you move to within walking distance of your job or the commuter rail line.


Hogwash. $5/gal gas means I stop road trips, and don't use any gas, and make the wife take me places in her gas/electric hybrid. Only suckers would pay $5/gal when EVs are being sold with 10K miles for $16G.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') Look at how people dealt with the great depression and the rationing of WW2. When pressed we humans can be very frugal and very creative.


Look how people dealt with claims of running out of oil in the 1970's. We got Toyota and Honda and 35mpg. Which begat the Insight and Prius later. Which begat the Leaf and Volt and Ford Energi's. When pressed, we were to some extent inoculated during the "running out" days of the 1970's, and Chevy's foray into EVs in the last century, to make use of liquid fuels far less relevant nowadays to most consumers.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby vtsnowedin » Sun 10 Jul 2016, 19:25:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AdamB', '
')Yo Vt, I just took a ferry across Champlain, drove through North Hero, then St Albans, Hyde Park and Newport, left the state on the east at Guildhall.

You need to get some road work done, your back roads were patched and pretty crappy. NH has you beat, heck the Mount Washington road has vermont roads beat.

I am a retired 30 year employee of the New Hampshire DOT. They and I know how to build and maintain a good road. Vermont AOT not so much. :cry:


$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') $5 gas will make you car pool. $10 gas will make you move to within walking distance of your job or the commuter rail line.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Hogwash. $5/gal gas means I stop road trips, and don't use any gas, and make the wife take me places in her gas/electric hybrid. Only suckers would pay $5/gal when EVs are being sold with 10K miles for $16G.



Everybody will have their individual price points and alternative strategies. My point being higher prices will lead to less use driven by the amount of income available to purchase it.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '
') Look at how people dealt with the great depression and the rationing of WW2. When pressed we humans can be very frugal and very creative.

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')Look how people dealt with claims of running out of oil in the 1970's. We got Toyota and Honda and 35mpg. Which begat the Insight and Prius later. Which begat the Leaf and Volt and Ford Energi's. When pressed, we were to some extent inoculated during the "running out" days of the 1970's, and Chevy's foray into EVs in the last century, to make use of liquid fuels far less relevant nowadays to most consumers.
I think this last just agrees with what I was saying.
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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby shortonoil » Mon 11 Jul 2016, 09:22:12

That is where the costs that will make or break the industry lie. It all comes down to how desperate we are for gas and how much we are willing to pay for it.

It really has very little to do with what we are willing to pay for it; it has to do with what we can pay for it!

There is a feedback loop that controls the price of oil. Oil powers the economy, and the economy provides the demand for oil. The amount of economy that a unit of oil can power determines its price. It is much more fundamental than a whimsical willingness. That is because when you run out of money you have run out of oil; and when you run out of oil, that can power the economy, you have run out of money.

Understanding that depletion is not a matter of human preference seems to be a very difficult concept for most to grasp.

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Re: America now has more untapped oil than any other country

Unread postby rockdoc123 » Mon 11 Jul 2016, 10:16:12

Shotonoil can you please limit your marketing to the thread which has become Peak Oil's own Groundhog Day?
Honestly I am sure I'm not the only one who gets tired of the same rhetoric popping up on each and every thread.
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