[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I')t is clear that both parties need to reform their delegate selection process.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', 'I')t is clear that both parties need to reform their delegate selection process.

[ROCKMAN]

Pops - It is somewhat satisfying to see TPTB in both parties get some affirmation that it’s the voters that decide elections and not those big contributors. The chicken/egg argument has been waged for decades: do the big contributors determine the results or does the big money go to politicians that were favored to win even without those monies. This cycle, given then huge amount of monies and party support Bush received he was never in the running for a single day. IOW while the monies might help a candidate get his message out of the voters don’t like that message he still has no chance of getting elected. At the other extreme is Trump with zero big contributors (except for the MSM, of course) and yet he’ll be running for president.

Lots of wealthy conservatives and liberals may have just been put on notice that their opinions actually matter very little when it comes to election results regardless of how much they contribute. And perhaps that has been the case for a long time. Wouldn’t really be a bad course to see a lot of those contributions dry up since it might actually convince the voters that they are really in charge.

The other point I’d like to float is how completely the political opinions of most of the MSM has blinded them to the reality of how tens of millions of voters view the situation. A year ago no one in the MSM gave Trump any hope of surviving let alone getting the nomination. Which shows they had zero understanding of how tens of millions of voters actually feel. Trump is where he is today because he tapped into those feelings/frustrations. And while most of the folks in the MSM might not share those views they should have known how many folks did feel that way. But they were virtually clueless about the real situation.

[Lore]

The question I have is do they really share the views of these candidates, or are they just so dissatisfied with the status quo to the point where they will vote, even against their own interests, for someone who defies the party norms and the status quo? Where blind faith in this action will bring about the quick disruption of the establishment with magical results in their favor.

I think it's more a matter or our present day society and thinking. The age of the Internet where your wants will be met immediately. Where isolated thinking leaves little concern for others unless it also satisfies your needs. Where I want it now and want it my way has to happen at the speed of light.

[Pops]

Right you re ROCK.

I was wrong about the whole thing a year ago. I line up with Bern 95% according to one quiz. But I said Bernie wouldn't get squat and he did pretty good. Hopefully he does more than O did with the "movement" he's started.

I don't trust HRC any farther than I can throw her but since she is the consummate politician I expect her to go with the Democratic polls and D-leaning donors pretty much and not pretend to attempting consensus with a GOP that has gone off the deep end. Maybe she is the best we got.

The Party formerly known as Grand Old has convinced itself it is overthrowing the donorship... by electing a donor. I'd say good luck except the central conceit is in thinking eliminating government entirely will benefit them, the voters, as much as it would, say, someone who can buy a whole state. They should move to Kansas, the Somalia of America, The Galt's Gulch of the plains, for a taste, just to see if they are big enough to run with the Koch boys. LOL

[ROCKMAN]

Lore - Hard to say. I think part of the dynamic grew out of a mob mentality: I might not agree with that politician but I'm pissed and want to set something on fire...even if it's the store where I buy my food .

But there's also the tapping into those frustrations and exploiting them...not uncommon for many politicians.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '[')They maybe counting their chickens before they hatch.

[Cog]

Trump gave a voice to people who felt powerless, angry, and abandoned by the Republican party. The more he was attacked by the media, the GOPe, the Dems, only served to validate the voter's thought that they were right to support Trump.

Trump is a master showman and manipulator of emotions. He does not have to show the political correctness and caution that a normal politician would have to show to keep their seat. I doubt whether Trump believes in anything he is spouting. But he understands people and can work them.

Something similar going on with the Dems. Anger and frustration over career politicians and an economy that is not providing the opportunities that us older guys took for granted. Sanders is giving that electorate a voice.

[Lore]

HA!... Trump has done everything, but work with anybody. That is his antiestablishment appeal.

[Cog]

I said work them not work with them. Two wholly different concepts. Trump is a master troll.

[Sixstrings]

Bernie campaigning in west virginia:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ernie Sander Rally Charleston WV. (5-5-16)
https://youtu.be/xG2fkjML1GA

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]California Loves Sanders

California is experiencing a tidal wave of new voter registrations in anticipation of the Democratic Primary on June 7th. First-time voters are taking advantage of a quicker online registration process. waving goodbye to the antiquated and often weeks-long snail-mail method. In the first three months of 2016, over 850,000 new registrations were submitted, making history in one of the nation’s most progressive states. ...

In a recent California poll of the newly registered voters, Sanders crushes Clinton with a 40-point advantage, grabbing 67% while she is at only 27%. In another recent CA poll, Sanders has a 77% to 18% lead with voters between the ages of 19 and 29, while voters in the 30-39 age category support him at a 56%-31% clip. Among those voters who have “no party preference,” Sanders enjoys a 10-point lead.
http://thebernreport.com/california-loves-sanders/

[Sixstrings]

Hm, I'm not likin' Bernie's victory speech in Oregon.

It's just all focused on Trump, not talking about Clinton.

He's over the top in demagoguing against Trump (all identity politics stuff, and unfair exaggerations).

He also said he's still "in it to win it" though, so that's what's making the news. He did have a good win tonight. We'll see what happens in California.

I have to say, folks -- I won't be so interested in Bernie if it just becomes wingman for Clinton and it's just Bernie and Liz Warren getting farmed out to be over the top demagoguing about Trump.. when their real core issues are put by the wayside, by corporate Clinton.

P.S. I still like him, but tonight's speech just sounded like establishment and in the tank for Clinton, to me. I like him, but I tune him out when he talks about Trump. Just as I tune Trump out, when he is demagoguing about Bernie.

2nd P.S. -- CNN is reporting on "the defection of Sanders voters, to Trump"

[Newfie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cog', 'T')rump gave a voice to people who felt powerless, angry, and abandoned by the Republican party. The more he was attacked by the media, the GOPe, the Dems, only served to validate the voter's thought that they were right to support Trump.

Trump is a master showman and manipulator of emotions. He does not have to show the political correctness and caution that a normal politician would have to show to keep their seat. I doubt whether Trump believes in anything he is spouting. But he understands people and can work them.

Something similar going on with the Dems. Anger and frustration over career politicians and an economy that is not providing the opportunities that us older guys took for granted. Sanders is giving that electorate a voice.

[Lore]

The electorate, for all their greed, is just being hornswoggled by carnival barkers.

Hillary croaks on like some lathargic dinasour of the past. Knowingly closer to the established party elites on both sides then her competitors.

Bernie's unrealistic vision is at least consistent if not totally naive.

As for Trump he's also just telling the room what they want to hear. Nothing more than a poor egotistical neo fanciest clone of Benito Mussolini. And we know what happened to him and his imperialistic dreams.

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i65.tinypic.com/2hf4brk.jpg[/img]

Welcome to a Bernie Sanders Wiccan ritual

Participants were “smudged,” meaning the smoke from the sweetgrass was wafted over them before they could enter the sacred circle and begin a Wiccan ritual to support Sanders ahead of Oregon’s primary on Tuesday.
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-sanders-prayer-circle-20160514-snap-story.html

[careinke]

I got my Washington primary ballot, and since all the Republican choices had all dropped out except Trump, I voted for Bernie. Figured I'd have some fun like the folks in WV did. I don't plan to vote for President in the General election.

[vtsnowedin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I') got my Washington primary ballot, and since all the Republican choices had all dropped out except Trump, I voted for Bernie. Figured I'd have some fun like the folks in WV did. I don't plan to vote for President in the General election.

[careinke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vtsnowedin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('careinke', 'I') got my Washington primary ballot, and since all the Republican choices had all dropped out except Trump, I voted for Bernie. Figured I'd have some fun like the folks in WV did. I don't plan to vote for President in the General election.

[Sixstrings]

Well, Bernie came in a close 2nd in Kentucky and won Oregon.