[CrudeAwakening]

Anyone seen "The Power of Nightmares?" by Adam Curtis?

Gripping viewing.

Hmm, I was about to post a link to the video at informationclearinghouse, but they've just taken it down in the past few days...

[venky]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CrudeAwakening', 'A')nyone seen "The Power of Nightmares?" by Adam Curtis?

Gripping viewing.

Hmm, I was about to post a link to the video at informationclearinghouse, but they've just taken it down in the past few days...

[Wildwell]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')t was quite clearly a false flag operation. Why would terrorists want to interrupt the delightful spectacle of Blair being tried for the high crimes that the Downing Street memo clearly outlines? Come on, you schmaltzy emotion based goofballs, use your freaking heads.

Terrorism is politically motivated and timed to exact the most damage to the terrorist's opponent. How in hell does this act damage Blair? It helps him personally and politically. Did you listen carefully to his quavery voice in his address to the nation just after it happened? Do you think that was because he felt so bad for those people? Really? Think about it. The guy's a proven blatant liar who has sent many Brits to their death in Iraq with a smile on his face. Watch him on televised parliamentary proceedings, if you can handle the show of teeth. He's uber-creepy.

He was all quivery because he's involved in a criminal conspiracy either directly or indirectly and the guy is SCARED.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sunspot', 'A')h BiGG, nice to see you're still insulting everyone....
These are the energy wars, plain and simple. Most wars are about the acquisition of natural resources. Or preventing somebody else from getting those natural resources. Everyone needs to read Klare's "Rseource Wars" and Perkins "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man". This is how the world works, kids. Natural resources. Basic stuff. We'll be finding that out the hard way soon.

[MD]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', '.')...I suggest reading a little history starting with radical Islam & other terrorists. I think you will find that disease is growing rampantly, in need of an antidote, and has zero to do with alleged resource wars.

[BiGG]

SidneyTawl,

Let me try it this way …….. you see, you post some really ignorant stuff frequently that others here including me have tried to help you with by listing clear & concise reality among other things.

Now instead of showing you are capable of comprehending even the really easy stuff and learning something as you go (showing a sign of remote intelligence), you return instead with something even stupider pretending you have some kind of wit above the elementary level.

Stupid seems to know no bounds with your retorts and you are the only one that doesn’t know it. So here’s the key ……instead of upping the stupid bar with every rejoinder, show you can post something void of that little concern as you are just a bore otherwise.

[Jake_old]

MD

I agree that we should be fighting for the cultural direction of the planet, and fighting against the subjugation of any person is a worthy cause.

I don't see it as religious violence, people are often violent even when Atheist, Religion is often used as a recruiting tool. When we were a poorer and more ignorant christian society we commited crimes under the guise of Christianity.

I don't understand why people who believe in a particular conspiracy are labeled as stupid or nutcases, Its happened before and could happen again.

Please don't shout me down, I don't believe this is an 'inside job' but I do believe that the current terrorist events stem from inequalities in the world, as well as a lack of education, corruption etc..

I cannot believe that any group wants to destroy liberty, that just doesn't make sense to me. I think that stupid people believe they are going to paradise which contains some pretty sick entertainment if you ask me but it shows how truly stupid those people are. It wouldn't matter what religion they were, they just have nothing to loose.

We are dropping bombs on poor people and we call it collateral damage but I doubt thats any concelation to their families, Its ok when we do it but not when they do it.

Its highly possible or even probable that leaders and military planners have no idea of what to do and they need to keep up the facade of having a plan. Just my 2c.

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'W')ho here thinks that members of the Bush Team were disheartened and truly saddened at the London bombings?

[MD]

Redjake

I don't know where I have showed a tendency to shout anyone down, and I don't intend to start.

In saying that radical islam ideology needs to be fought, I don't mean by bombing them into submission, or committing genocide.

In attempting to understand their position, I have found that they have no interest in discussion, they are not interested in having "us" just go away and leave them alone. They truly want to convert or destroy, period. Granted this is a small percentage of Islam, but that small percentage is a great danger to the world currently.

I wish there was an easy answer, there is not.

the inquisision
radiacl zionism
the crusades
the holocaust
radical hinduism
etc
etc

Conspiracy theorists: I haven't called them stupid. Some of them are obsessed and/or paranoid though. The only certainty of conspiracy is that they do indeed exist, at many levels. The only certainty of paranoia is that sometimes that "they" are indeed "out to get you". Obsessive compulsive I know all about, I am deeply afflicted with both. Just note how much time I am spending on this forum for evidence.

I can't believe people want to destroy liberty either, but I have tried to "climb into their heads", and what I saw was frightening. I have to conclude that there are truly evil people in the world, with plenty of ignorant followers.

We are caught in a dilemma.

It goes on and on, man's inhumanity to man in a relentles destructive cycle, only interrupted by periods of prosperity.

[Sunspot]

I have a slogan for you BiGG: 927 posts and still clueless. You are the one who needs to look harder at other points of view. Have you read Perkins "Confessions of an Economic hit man?? Read Heinberg, Campbell, Kunstler, Deffeyes. etc. etc? Do you actually know anything about Peak Oil??? If you had any actual rebuttal to the information they present then we'd have something to talk about.
Feel free to respond to any of my posts. For my part, I will be ignoring your responses and will no longer reply to them. Maybe it will catch on. Although I doubt you'll go away if we ignore you. It'll be more fun to hear you whine when it all hits the fan before the end of this year. Because we are right, and you are soooooooo wrong!

[Jake_old]

Thanks for your response MD, it is something for me to ponder.

About the shouting down, it wasn't personal, I just kind of expected all the usual insults from lots of posters who seem to believe conspiracies are impossible.

Sunspot, BiGG gets to me too but please don't ignore him, if you disagree then more reason to post an opposing view. I like it here because of these diffierent and sometimes polarised views.

[Sunspot]

Re:BiGG - I wish I could find something coherent there to disagree with. But there seems to be nothing but pie-in-the-sky schemes and insulting anyone who doesn't agree. It seems odd that someone would spend so much time on this message board just creating static. The only proper response to someone like that seems to be the junior-high "meet me at the flagpole". I simply don't find it useful to get into arguments with someone who just shouts back and refuses to engage in a serious discussion of the issues. I get enough of that in the real world.

[Chuckmak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'N')othing like avoiding the root of the problem. Let me spell it out for you.
I-S-L-A-M.

You can try to hide from the harsh facts all you want, but it doesnt change anything. Do you see Catholics killing women and children?

[BiGG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Sunspot', 'I') have a slogan for you BiGG: 927 posts and still clueless. You are the one who needs to look harder at other points of view. Have you read Perkins "Confessions of an Economic hit man?? Read Heinberg, Campbell, Kunstler, Deffeyes. etc. etc? Do you actually know anything about Peak Oil??? If you had any actual rebuttal to the information they present then we'd have something to talk about.
Feel free to respond to any of my posts. For my part, I will be ignoring your responses and will no longer reply to them. Maybe it will catch on. Although I doubt you'll go away if we ignore you. It'll be more fun to hear you whine when it all hits the fan before the end of this year. Because we are right, and you are soooooooo wrong!

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wildwell', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')t was quite clearly a false flag operation. Why would terrorists want to interrupt the delightful spectacle of Blair being tried for the high crimes that the Downing Street memo clearly outlines? Come on, you schmaltzy emotion based goofballs, use your freaking heads.

Terrorism is politically motivated and timed to exact the most damage to the terrorist's opponent. How in hell does this act damage Blair? It helps him personally and politically. Did you listen carefully to his quavery voice in his address to the nation just after it happened? Do you think that was because he felt so bad for those people? Really? Think about it. The guy's a proven blatant liar who has sent many Brits to their death in Iraq with a smile on his face. Watch him on televised parliamentary proceedings, if you can handle the show of teeth. He's uber-creepy.

He was all quivery because he's involved in a criminal conspiracy either directly or indirectly and the guy is SCARED.

[SidneyTawl]

AGain Bigg,

explain your remark about

(but you will not be playing pretend with me ……k")

This very easily appears to be a "threat"

Aaron and other mods please take notice.

As for reading History.

Well, Like I said I have done mine. Started many many years ago. For example in my second year in college I had to take the required US American history course.

Didn't even buy or read the book, didn't study for one single test, used my time for something else.

No I didn't get an A only a B. a 94 average is a B at the school I attended (at the time).

What history have I read lately.

JOHN ADAMS by David McCulloguh
HIS EXCELLENCY GEORGE WASHINGTON Joseph J Ellis

Purchasing after I finsinh "His Excellency"

1776 David McCullough.

Your attempt to compare the actions of GW and Irag and the current "war on terror" to anything of the philosophy/actions of Thomas Jefferson borders on the absurd IMO.

TJ would be demanding and probably leading the group to push for the impeachement of GW for his actions. AND probably try to get the whole lot of congress tossed out.


Most like you bigg only know the names, and the little bit they got in HS. THey know he "wrote" and this pretty much means he took pen to paper really. John Adams contributed and others contributed. (you might be surprised at how much John A did for this country.) He was from the opposite "party" if you will than Jefferson. They didn't care for each other but worked with each other to get a goal done. THey didn't go out drinking together after the war either (if you got my drift). Though at the end of their years TJ and JA became friendly again, and in another one of those acts of

syncronicity

They both died on the same day and year.

do you know the story of the cannon getting to Boston Bigg.
do you know the names and lives of people that gave up everything on the hope they could give birth to a country that would give them "the right to pursuit of life, liberty and happines".

Bigg keep showing your ignorance it only helps those that disagree with you each time you regurgitate some cut and paste without understanding what you have just posted.

Thomas Jefferson ( a snip from web article for HS students etc.)

"Jefferson objected to certain of Hamilton's policies as favoring merchants and financiers rather than farmers. Most of the people in the United States were then farmers, and Jefferson always thought of himself as one. He believed in individual liberty more than Hamilton did and trusted the people more. He thought that Hamilton was trying to increase the power of the national government beyond what was permitted by the Constitution. Jefferson favored the strict interpretation of the Constitution, believing that this would prevent tyranny."

Go on about comparing the act of Jefferson against the Pirates we were paying a tribute and the current war and how the Presidnet got the authority.

TJ also advocated the overthrow of the US govt, if the people so desired it, and start over. Ya probably heard it, but TJ really meant it. He did see the dangers ahead.

Fighting a battle at sea over "tribute". Sailed into the harbor to show strentght AND THEN LEFT>

Yep Bigg you sure posted some relevent stuff.

At least the people reading this got perhaps a little history. Thats a positive from your negative IMO>

[ECM]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', '.')...I suggest reading a little history starting with radical Islam & other terrorists. I think you will find that disease is growing rampantly, in need of an antidote, and has zero to do with alleged resource wars.

[shakespear1]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '3'). Terrorism - Terrorism is a form of response to some extreme circumstances. U.S., U.K., and Soviet/Russian war and politics in the Middle East have been the single biggest catalyst for the creation of terrorists. The antidote to terrorism is to leave these people alone. Terrorism needs hate and fear to grow and survive.

[Carlhole]

http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/crime/ ... 298105.ece

Police hunt 'mercenary' terror gang recruited by al-Qa'ida

Police and intelligence agents are investigating the theory that a gang of white "mercenary terrorists" was hired by al-Qa'ida to carry out last week's devastating attacks on London.

The Independent on Sunday can reveal today that investigations into the bombings of three Tube trains and a bus, which left at least 49 people dead, are focusing on the possibility that criminal gangs were paid to mount the worst atrocities in British history.

[Carlhole]

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m13556

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack

A consultancy agency with government and police connections was running an exercise for an unnamed company that revolved around the London Underground being bombed at the exact same times and locations as happened in real life on the morning of July 7th.

On a BBC Radio 5 interview that aired on the evening of the 7th, the host interviewed Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, which bills itself as a 'crisis management' advice company, better known to you and I as a PR firm.

Peter Power was a former Scotland Yard official, working at one time with the Anti Terrorist Branch.

Power told the host that at the exact same time that the London bombings were taking place, his company was running a 1,000 person strong exercise which drilled the London Underground being bombed at the exact same locations, at the exact same times, as happened in real life.

The transcript is as follows.

POWER: At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now.

HOST: To get this quite straight, you were running an exercise to see how you would cope with this and it happened while you were running the exercise?

POWER: Precisely, and it was about half past nine this morning, we planned this for a company and for obvious reasons I don't want to reveal their name but they're listening and they'll know it. And we had a room full of crisis managers for the first time they'd met and so within five minutes we made a pretty rapid decision that this is the real one and so we went through the correct drills of activating crisis management procedures to jump from slow time to quick time thinking and so on.

Click here for a clip of this dialogue. Click here for a longer clip where the comments can be heard in their full context.

The fact that the exercise mirrored the exact locations and times of the bombings is light years beyond a coincidence. Power said the drill focused around 'simultaneous bombings'. At first the bombings were thought to have been spread over an hour, but the BBC reports just today that the bombings were in fact simultaneous.