[StarvingLion]

"You can't have infinite growth on a finite planet."

Obviously you sure can.

But it can't happen with degenerates passing themselves off as leaders. And that is what we have with the neoliberal banking clan, the stupid petro engineers and geologists, and the utterly childish tech feudal lords with their useless toys (solar cell, batteries, etc...a small sample only).

So I have to do it all myself. I finally gave up on the nonsense of nuclear reactors and have found the total solution:

I have initiated a GLOBAL GEOTHERMAL ENERGY + SYNTHETIC FUELS EMPIRE.

Sure, laugh now...but you know the upcoming...

LIQUID FUELS CATASTROPHE

is looming. And its all because this natural gas crap can't scale. The laughable toys called solar and wind can't scale. The laughable batteries can't scale.

The truly staggering potential of Geothermal Energy is simply impossible with Ponzi Finance. The degenerate Neoliberal Banking Establishment will have to be wiped out first. Thats no problem because the upcoming Liquid Fuels Catastrophe will do that for me.

Well thats enough for this post. I am basically a Super Genius trying to save the world. The rest of you degenerates have already given up. Thanks for nothing, degenerates.

I now understand what Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius, had to endure.

[hvacman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('StarvingLion', '&')quot;You can't have infinite growth on a finite planet."

Obviously you sure can.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', 'S')o Pstarr here is how I see it, Uncle Sugar should build a few dozen GTL processing centers to keep the trucks, trains and cargo ships moving and the farm and construction equipment working during the post peak oil declines without crashing the whole economy from physical shortages. At the same time they should be investing every dime they can tax or borrow into non fossil carbon based energy infrastructure to get us off the depleting but heavily polluting energy system we use now.

[Tanada]

What kind of real world experience has developed from this technology?

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'D')on't want to be a party pooper; BUT.
--snip--I could get either of these websites knocked up out of thin air in a day for peanuts. A couple of people to answer phones in a couple different countries..... Just thinking out loud.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Outcast_Searcher', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeaGypsy', 'D')on't want to be a party pooper; BUT.
--snip--I could get either of these websites knocked up out of thin air in a day for peanuts. A couple of people to answer phones in a couple different countries..... Just thinking out loud.

[toolpush]

http://www.velocys.com/index.php

The leaders in Micro GTL, using ideas/patents from original NASA research.

PS. It takes 9-10 mcf to make 1 barrel of oil, which has an energy content of 6 mcf. Now there is one set of economics, if you need to buy that gas, and there is another set of economics, if that gas is being saved from being flared!

[ROCKMAN]

I think some folks have missed the point of this tech. Scale is the prime issue...and it's meant to be very small scale so forget about upsizing. That's for folks like SASOL building $billion plants. And as the pushed says it also has nothing to do with the price of NG...it's free. And EROEI is not relevant either: your using energy that would be tossed away.

The application would be for a single oil well flaring NG or a small cluster of such wells close together. And the economics aren't the only potential advantage: flaring/venting NG is becoming a significant regulatory issue. About a year ago I read about Statoil (?) planning to deploy units in the Bakken. Not sure what the current status might be.

[ROCKMAN]

Pusher - Your link looks like it's still too big for well head processing. Maybe on a big offshore platform...if there's room. The link at the begining shows 1 bbl per 500 MCF of NG. Given well head gas is selling for $2.50/MCF that would be $2,500 per bbl yield. So obviously the NG has to be free. Which it is when being flared. So the economics boil down to the cost of the unit and maintenance.

So a well flaring 1 million cf/day (1,000 MCF/day) could yield 2 bbls. That's a lot of gas for a single well and only produces about $4/day of fuel. Or about $1,500/year. I serious doubt a well head application would come close to being viable. So I assume they are still thinking large scale plant operations. Which gets back to the source of the flaring problem: to expensive to lay enough pipelines to gather enough of the NG to sell profitably.

[Tanada]

Thank you Toolpush and ROCKMAN, this is just the kind of information I was looking for

[ROCKMAN]

T - You're welcome. We keep seeing the same error with so many "solutions": small scale successes, like something working in a lab, and assuming it's scalable. Or taking a tech like GTL and assuming one particular system can be applied to every situation. And it's true with folks who should know better: about 20 years ago the Rockman developed a bit of a reputation for drilling hz wells in conventional reservoirs. So companies would offer him contracts to do so on one of their fields. But hz wells are not a cure-all for every problem. The majority of the time he would have to explain it wasn't an appropriate application for their project. And these were petroleum geologists and engineers.

Yes: I talked myself out of consulting fees a number of times. LOL.

[toolpush]

Rockman,

Here is one of their presentation, directed at well head gas

http://www.velocys.com/press/ppt/ppt150 ... um_eng.pdf

The scale is 250-300 bpd, and it quotes 10,000 cf of gas per bbl. So a small gas gather system would be required. They have also investigated siting a plant on an FPSO for offshore work. They were working with Petrobras, not sure what has come of that.

PS
http://www.velocys.com/press/ppt/ppt150 ... um_eng.pdf

The offshore version is mentioned in this one.

[ROCKMAN]

Now I have a problem: 1 cu ft of dry NG = 1 Btu. And I bbl diesel = 137,000 Btu. So they say they can convert 10,000 Btu (10,000 scf of NG…their number) of NG into 137,000 Btu of diesel (10,000 scf of NG yields 1 bbl of FT liquid…again their numbers).

That seems to be a rather amazing process. I don’t think I got the numbers wrong but I’m sure some will check on me. LOL. But maybe that's where the 2 MW of power comes in. The 2 MW that magically appear for free. LOL.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'N')ow I have a problem: 1 cu ft of dry NG = 1 Btu. And I bbl diesel = 137,000 Btu. So they say they can convert 10,000 Btu (10,000 scf of NG…their number) of NG into 137,000 Btu of diesel (10,000 scf of NG yields 1 bbl of FT liquid…again their numbers).

That seems to be a rather amazing process. I don’t think I got the numbers wrong but I’m sure some will check on me. LOL. But maybe that's where the 2 MW of power comes in. The 2 MW that magically appear for free. LOL.

[ROCKMAN]

T - If the NG has a significant NGL component you strip it out with a JT plant at the wellhead and sell that easily transported liquid for a very nice price. That's what the Rockman does every day in Cameron Ph, La. One does not flare wet gas for two reasons: the value of the easily extracted NGL's and regulatory/air quality issue. And beside: dry NG has about 900 Btu's per scf and very wet NG was around 1,400 Btu's per scf. So using their numbers again they are still trying to turn 14,000 Btu's of wet gas into 137,000 Btu's of diesel. If I've got the numbers correct. My calculation seems ridiculous but that's what my computer tells me. LOL.

[hvacman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'T') - If the NG has a significant NGL component you strip it out with a JT plant at the wellhead and sell that easily transported liquid for a very nice price. That's what the Rockman does every day in Cameron Ph, La. One does not flare wet gas for two reasons: the value of the easily extracted NGL's and regulatory/air quality issue. And beside: dry NG has about 900 Btu's per scf and very wet NG was around 1,400 Btu's per scf. So using their numbers again they are still trying to turn 14,000 Btu's of wet gas into 137,000 Btu's of diesel. If I've got the numbers correct. My calculation seems ridiculous but that's what my computer tells me. LOL.

[hvacman]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ROCKMAN', 'N')ow I have a problem: 1 cu ft of dry NG = 1 Btu. And I bbl diesel = 137,000 Btu. So they say they can convert 10,000 Btu (10,000 scf of NG…their number) of NG into 137,000 Btu of diesel (10,000 scf of NG yields 1 bbl of FT liquid…again their numbers).

That seems to be a rather amazing process. I don’t think I got the numbers wrong but I’m sure some will check on me. LOL. But maybe that's where the 2 MW of power comes in. The 2 MW that magically appear for free. LOL.

[ROCKMAN]

Hman - very good. I did have the Btu of 1 scf wrong. But is this correct: they can convert 10 MCF {that cost about $25 at Henry Hub today) into 42 gallons of diesel that has a wholesale price of $1.18/gallon last Dec. IOW you can turn $25 of NG into $50 of diesel. If I haven't screwed these numbers up (and depending in the cost of the equipment) then to hell with flare gas: I would start making diesel on all my gas wells. And I know operators who are selling their gas for $1/mf today. That would be $10 of NG to make $50 of diesel. Heck of a deal...unless the unit cost a $million or two.

Also more good advice: don't ask a geologist to spell anyting.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('toolpush', 'R')ockman,

Here is one of their presentation, directed at well head gas

http://www.velocys.com/press/ppt/ppt150 ... um_eng.pdf

The scale is 250-300 bpd, and it quotes 10,000 cf of gas per bbl. So a small gas gather system would be required. They have also investigated siting a plant on an FPSO for offshore work. They were working with Petrobras, not sure what has come of that.

PS
http://www.velocys.com/press/ppt/ppt150 ... um_eng.pdf

The offshore version is mentioned in this one.

[ROCKMAN]

Pusher - By your number 10,000 cf (10 mcf) will yield 1 bbl. So for 250 bbls/day: 10 mcf X 250 = 2,500 mcf. That's nothing even for a single gas well. I've got two wells in Matagorda CO making a total of 8,000 mcf/day. That would yield 800 bbls of diesel. And I'm selling that 8,000 mcf/day for $2.50/mcf = $20,000/day. And I could sell 800 bbls (33,600 gallons) for $40,000. Or I could make an extra $7.3 million per year running though that GTL plant. And how much does this size plant cost? Until we see that number there's no way to tell if it would be economical or not. So $10 million for the plant and ops costs....sounds good. $50 million for the plant and ops cost...forget about it. LOL.