[efarmer]

Enlightened, global consensus, can save many people from many threats.
Now we only have to figure out how to get enlightened, global, consensus
to use as a reliable tool. This could take several days or even more.
I am glad I am not the guy who tells everyone they can't eat chicken
anymore, this is going to be a no win job for somebody. Hopefully the
UN will create great tasting nuggets that are vegan, and they catch on,
to help ease the world off of chicken and other animal based foods.
Writing this out, I more and more get the feeling that this just might
work, but a lot will depend on how good the nuggets taste, and of course on how
well the dipping sauces are tailored for the different nations.
I say we take on chicken first, then the other animal foods, then
poverty, greed, and ignorance. This is all pretty simple stuff, once
we have the global consensus part going. Can't wait for Pops take on this...

[PrestonSturges]

Of course, to make vegans and foodies happy, we can't just quit eating meat, we have to quit eating meat in an ideologically pure manner. For instance, it would be unthinkable really start working on improving the protein content of something besides row crops. For example, we'll be picking hundreds of pears in a couple weeks, but they are nearly worthless nutritionally, unlike bananas, potatoes, pawpaw, and figs which contain at least a little protein. Nuts are good, but people see nuts as a snack rather than a staple. But for plant protein, we are still depending on corn or soybeans and various other legumes. How about a high protein pear that could grow in the yard and at least be fed to the chickens? Of course, the antiGMO activists in America would say "Oh no!!!! It will cross pollinate with the native pears!!! ..... what? The are no native pears? Well it'll prevent farmers from saving their seeds!!!.... what ? Nobody does that? .... Give me a minute here ....." We do need to be a lot more focused on our food supply, but there is nothing, not even the smallest baby step that will pass the ideological purity tests of the foodies.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PrestonSturges', 'O')f course, to make vegans and foodies happy, we can't just quit eating meat, we have to quit eating meat in an ideologically pure manner. For instance, it would be unthinkable really start working on improving the protein content of something besides row crops. For example, we'll be picking hundreds of pears in a couple weeks, but they are nearly worthless nutritionally, unlike bananas, potatoes, pawpaw, and figs which contain at least a little protein. Nuts are good, but people see nuts as a snack rather than a staple. But for plant protein, we are still depending on corn or soybeans and various other legumes. How about a high protein pear that could grow in the yard and at least be fed to the chickens? Of course, the antiGMO activists in America would say "Oh no!!!! It will cross pollinate with the native pears!!! ..... what? The are no native pears? Well it'll prevent farmers from saving their seeds!!!.... what ? Nobody does that? .... Give me a minute here ....." We do need to be a lot more focused on our food supply, but there is nothing, not even the smallest baby step that will pass the ideological purity tests of the foodies.

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dohboi', '
')So I really only see two routes for anyone with a spec of ethics in remaining in their bodies:

1) Go vegan (or nearly so)
2) Promote veganism (and near-veganism) even more adamantly than the most obsessive vegan so that there will be more meat to go around for you as someone who lacks the cojones to give up the bloody flesh.

But mostly people are sorely lacking in even a spec of ethics, apparently. Especially when it comes to their sacred 'right' to eat creatures with faces.

[dohboi]

PS, I think you think I'm someone that I'm not. I am NOT about purity in any way shape or form.

But you have absolutely decided that you know exactly who I am and what I think and stand for, so don't let me get in the way of your prejudices.

I know that there is already a book on the subject of the 'coop wars'; Not sure a movie would throw much more light on them. And of course we are getting to be pretty damn old and cantankerous and...well, not very photogenic!!

efarmer wrote: "I am glad I am not the guy who tells everyone they can't eat chicken
anymore"

Ummmm, that would be......me

Actually, though, as far as GW is concerned, chicken, on average, has a lower carbon footprint than, for example, cheese. So unless someone is going totally vegan, the difference for (GW purposes) between a vegetarian who eats a lot of cheese and a carnivore whose main meat choice is chicken is...not so much.

[PrestonSturges]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'Y')um. Steak-flavored pears. Can't wait.

[frankthetank]

Yup...convert to veganism... cheaper meat for me. You can pry my chuck roast from my dead cold greasy fingers.

[dohboi]

"You can pry my chuck roast from my dead cold greasy fingers."

"The gas would kill you"

Wouldn't that be...Natural Gas???

Isn't that we are madly fracking for???

Man, frack your @$$$, not the eaarth!!!

[PrestonSturges]

You'd have a very hard time eating any one specific type of vegetable in large quantities day after day because after a couple weeks you'd be overdosing on the natural plant toxins of that species. Carrots for instance, celery, figs, sprouts, etc, etc, etc......

[dohboi]

"any one specific type of vegetable..."

Good reason to keep a varied diet of veggies. Something a backyard garden should help marvelously with, or intelligent gleaning and foraging, for that matter...

[PrestonSturges]

Most vegetables are significantly toxic. Soybeans are especially bad.

[frankthetank]

I think cutting back on portion sizes and maybe just eating meat less often would be more attainable then cutting meat entirely.

I knew a girl in college that went by the name "T bone"...and trust me...she fit that description.

I think if/when the meat goes away, people will start going insane ... then its mad max.

[Tanada]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'T')anada, I did some research and to get those 9 cups you'd need to eat 9 lbs of spinach. The gas would kill you (or at least the entire family) before the last cup hit your stomach.

[PrestonSturges]

Eating a lot of spinach could contribute to kidney stones
http://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-informa ... facts.aspx
and aggravate gout.

Soy, in addition to damaging reproductive health is also a top ten allergen, which is funny because so many foodies are terrified that GMOs will introduce allergins

[dohboi]

"cutting back on portion sizes and maybe just eating meat less often would be more attainable then cutting meat entirely."

Yes, that is a great place to start.

Fortunately for all you carnivores there are ZERO negative health consequences to eating lots and lots of red meat and dairy, right??

[Outcast_Searcher]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('frankthetank', 'I') think cutting back on portion sizes and maybe just eating meat less often would be more attainable then cutting meat entirely.