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Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 10:31:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dissident', '
')This post is in response to all the threads and yapping about Russia collapsing being spawned on this board and elsewhere. I am hearing crickets about the economic crisis in Ukraine. According to Moody's Ukraine's GDP will shrink by only 2% in 2015 but Russia's will shrink by 5.5%. The clowns at Moody's and the rest of the western media need to see a shrink.


These US based ratings agencies are clearly political tools of the US government.

With the amount of sheer hard cash China has, it won't be long before they are irrelevant.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 10:48:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'h')ttp://youtu.be/K_S-geLA_9o?t=21s

The residents of Avdeevka (a settlement on the frontline in Donbass) assault and swear at the Kievan reporters, and destroy their camera (no translation needed).


The above link has been blocked, the original video is here:

http://youtu.be/hlo0G3guRZ4?t=30s
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 11:35:07

The circus is back in the town, the clown is here again with his tricks.

Poro demonstrates the collection of his Russian passports for any life situation:

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http://rt.com/op-edge/230295-poroshenko ... ropaganda/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'P')resident Poroshenko’s PR advisers are helping him turn speeches into a kind of performance art. Sadly for the Ukrainian leader, they are more Laurel and Hardy than Laurence Olivier.

On Saturday, Poroshenko was again engaged in physical theatre, this time in Munich. Holding up Russian passports, he alleged that they belonged to Russian soldiers who had been found on Ukrainian soil. Citing “mountains of (Russian) lies and propaganda,” the Ukrainian President stood on a German stage and, well, lied.

Speaking of ‘propaganda,’ Yahoo news called the Russian (civilian) passports – which all Russians traveling abroad carry – 'military ID's' which is certainly a new one.

Russian soldiers cannot use their passports while on active service – they must hand them in. Everybody who has ever lived in Russia knows this. Indeed, even contract soldiers are forced to hand in theirs while on army business and, like the troops, they get a replacement military ID. This is why Sochi’s bars are crawling with off-duty Russian military – they can’t go abroad without their travel documents.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Strummer » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 11:38:54

Yes, he has proof of Russian involvement...

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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby dissident » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 11:39:47

They forgot about dog tags in the west. Russian Army soldiers travel like tourists. Will Poroshenko show us some confiscated luggage next?
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:10:28

An opinion piece from the Crimean students:

http://youtu.be/bJA0LqVTCGg
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:33:07

http://sputniknews.com/politics/2015020 ... 72745.html

Kiev Unable to Provide Copies of Alleged Russian Soldiers' Passports

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ddressing the Munich Security Conference on Saturday, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko showed off covers of Russian passports and military IDs, claiming they prove "Russian presence” in the conflict-torn East Ukraine.

Moscow then asked Kiev to provide copies of the documents on Saturday evening, as “document covers like the ones shown yesterday can easily be bought on the street market," Viktor Sorokin, head of the Second CIS Department at Russia’s foreign ministry, said.

“Currently, there is no real evidence, the Ukrainian side failed to provide copies of these documents,” Sorokin said.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 12:38:20

Life in Debaltsevo, video with translation

http://youtu.be/D9IyHk_vA0s?t=3m12s
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Withnail » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 13:00:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'L')ife in Debaltsevo, video with translation

http://youtu.be/D9IyHk_vA0s?t=3m12s


That's Vice News. I would suggest avoiding them as a source.

They are pro Kiev liars owned by Rupert Murdoch, who also owns Fox News.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 13:13:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Withnail', '
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That's Vice News.


Doesn't matter. Looks like good piece of reporting, no wicked tricks played.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby dissident » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 13:59:55

There are fragments of truth everywhere, but it takes effort and patience to remove the sh*t and stitch them together.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby americandream » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 16:18:14

Moodys relies on the status quo for its caviare. What do you expect.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby Donetsk » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 16:51:19

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('radon1', 'S')ituation report by Edward Basurin, Donetsk Republic's official spokesman

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http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45313

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '') "Kiev is sending saboteurs dressed in the uniform of the Donetsk army and armed forces of Russia into the territory of Donetsk and Lugansk. SBU [Ukrainian state security service] have began to apply tactics of discreditation on the world stage, not only in respect of the armed forces of Donetsk and Lugansk, but also in respect of the armed forces of the Russian Federation, who are allegedly engaged in combat in Donetsk and Lugansk. Thus, a subversive group of 12 people arrived in Donetsk last night. The were dressed in military uniforms of the armed forces of the Russian Federation. This group, led by an SBU officer Alexander Sulik, was eliminated. The sabotage operations on the territory of the Republics have become more frequent due to the failures of the military operations of the Ukrainian forces and their heavy losses in manpower and equipment. The objective of such operations is not only to direct artillery fire and apply mortar strikes, but also to intimidate the local population and to discredit the armed forces of Donetsk and Lugnask. On average, 3 Ukrainian sabotage groups enter the territory of the Republics every day. "


Shame they couldn't show even one of those groups. By the way, according to Strelkov groups, the group responsible for bombing the trolley stop in Donetsk were all ethnic Russians, citizens of RF, born in RF. Sent by Ukraine, right. Btw, where are they now? How come we had not seem them yet? And how come you ve never mentioned this, considering that news from these groups is most of the stuff you post.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby americandream » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 18:17:01

@ Donetsk

Precisely what are you fighting for. Given your dismantling of a social order we will all have to devolve to if we are to survive, just where are you fellows from a recently circular social order wanting to be? Have you thought about this and where it may take your kids and grandkids? Is the attraction of Western style consumerism that seductive?
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 21:39:16

http://thetruthspeaker.co/2015/02/09/ab ... ays-parus/

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Abandoned Dnipropetrosk – Always Parus

The depopulation which dogged Ukraine in the 90s still cuts a dark shadow, with Ukraine’s population having fallen every year since 1995. In the years to 2001, Ukraine’s population was falling by more than 1% each year, now standing at around 45.5 million, down near 7 million on the early 90s, representing a drop of over 13%. Recent years have seen the decline slightly level off, but it remains problematic, and any offset is propped up purely by population growth in the capital Kiev and certain parts of the west. Ukraine’s east is in deep trouble, with eastern cities Donetsk, Zaporizhzhya, Kharkiv and Dnipropetrovsk appearing on the State of the World’s Cities list of the globe’s fastest depopulating cities.

In particular trouble is the world’s fastest shrinking city, Dnipropetrovsk, with its population down from around 1.3 million in 1990, to just more than a million in 2011, and a year on year fall of over 1%. As a visitor, it’s hard to see why, the city benefits from perhaps the most beautiful location of any in Ukraine, right on the banks at one of the widest points of the cobalt blue Dnepr river.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 21:59:20

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45403

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '8').2.15. Situational report of the Ministry of Defense of the Donetsk Republic

"The [Ukrainian] punitive forces have been ordered to mine railway in Debaltseve and other critical infrastructure in the city Debaltseve. According to information from the Ukrainian soldiers of the 25th Brigade, who surrendered at the outskirts of Chernukhino, the command of the Ukrainian forces has ordered to mine the entire railway infrastructure of Debaltseve. The purpose of this is to prevent the possibility of resumption of railway communication between Donetsk and Lugansk after the retreat of the Ukrainian forces. The locomotive and rolling stock, interchanges rail lines at the "Debaltseve" railway station, locomotive depot and control centers, as well as administrative zone station Debaltseve are all being mined. In addition, according to the surrendered soldiers, the city pump and transformer substations have already been mined. Thus, Kiev has already made preparations for the total destruction of the city after withdrawal of its troops. The Donetsk army is taking all possible measures to avoid destruction of Debaltsevo.
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 22:24:09

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45422

(google translated/edited)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '8').2.15. Situational report by Edward Basurin, Donetsks Republic's spokesman

"As a result of a counter attack of the armed forces of the Donetsk Republic, the Ukrainian security forces were driven out from the village Nizhne Lozovoe, 5 kilometers north of Debaltseve. This greatly enhanced the ability of the Donetsk forces to suppress the transfer of reserves and ammunition to the Ukrainian army group surrounded in Debaltseve. Uglegorsk, Kalynivka and Lozovoe remain under the full control of the Donetsk army. Two counter-attack from the Ukrainian forces there were repelled. The Ukrainian forces continued to shell the Donetsk airport, residential areas and suburbs of Donetsk, as well as Mariupol's direction. As a result of the Ukrainian shelling of Gnutovo, a direct hit in the house killed an entire family, including a small child. The loss of the Ukrainian forces during the day amounted to 45 people. "
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 22:38:35

Huge explosion in Donetsk

Video of the explosion:

http://youtu.be/ZGix83I4nUY

http://vk.com/strelkov_info?w=wall-57424472_45448

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '0')9.02.15. 01:02 (local time) Report by the "Glagol" publication.

"The exact location of the explosion that shook the Donetsk about an hour ago is now known. It took place on DKZHI (Donetsk state factory of chemical products). This is information is confirmed by the co-chairman of the Popular Front of New Russia Konstantin Dolgov and the head of Kiev and Kuibyshev districts of Donetsk Ivan Prikhodko."


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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 22:54:50

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-0 ... rmany-us-s

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')rench President Nicolas Sarkozy has come out in apparent support of Russia (and specifically against the US).

“We are part of a common civilization with Russia,” said Sarkozy, speaking on Saturday at the congress of the Union for a Popular Movement Party (UMP), which the former president heads.

“The interests of the Americans with the Russians are not the interests of Europe and Russia,” he said adding that “we do not want the revival of a Cold War between Europe and Russia.”

“Crimea has chosen Russia, and we cannot blame it [for doing so],” he said pointing out that “we must find the means to create a peacekeeping force to protect Russian speakers in Ukraine.”
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Re: Russia-Ukraine newsline/Freedom of speech

Postby radon1 » Sun 08 Feb 2015, 23:05:45

Inside East Ukraine Nursing Home Caught Near Massive Battlefield

http://youtu.be/OqsH43PAIaw

More armor heading to the front for East Ukraine

http://youtu.be/Tf0cGf8lD28
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